Trump's inflammatory choice of words is out there again doing its dirty work. He is charged with 4 felonies and out on pre-trial release. When will anyone put him where he can't whip things up? He is a danger to society and needs to be off the streets. So frustrating.
I look at the “bloodbath” comment as voter intimidation. A threat if not voted for. Why is he still running around loose. Should be in jail or a mental institution.
Thank you Joyce. I will scream it loud and I will scream it proud. We must find the courage to stand up to such outrage. This is our country, our family, our life our democracy our constitution. Please continue to help us. I for one need guidance.
Thanks Joyce, the reality that you describe I would have to blame Merrick Garland whose opening statement “we will follow the facts where they lead us” waited two years to follow the facts. He also should have pushed the Southern District of New York to immediately send out requested papers immediately. I blame both Fani Willis and Wade for not understanding the optics of their position. Going on vacations with your consultant??? Jesus, Mary , Joseph, Moses and everyone else. All we can do is vote but our judicial system is broken.
I have 2 questions based upon the very real possibility that the Supreme Court will derail Trump being brought to trial on the January 6 insurrection before the November election. My question is based upon the need, both for the American people and for posterity, to reveal the full nature and extent of the culpability of Donald Trump, his accomplices and his co-conspirators in attempting to overthrow the valid election of Joe Biden. Even if the far ring-wing majority of the Supreme Court stretched beyond all reason to rule that Trump had absolute immunity from prosecution for crimes he committed while President, his co-defendants and co-conspirators in the insurrection should not be the beneficiaries of such largesse.
1. There is a virtual certainty that if Trump is re-elected President, he will close down all federal indictments and investigations against him, his accomplices and his co-conspirators. Even if the Supreme Court causes the trial to be delayed until after the election, is there any reason why the Special Prosecutor could not now sever him from the indictment and proceed against his co- defendants, while naming him as an unindicted co-conspirator? It is settled law that the statements of all co-conspirators made in furtherance of the conspiracy are admissible against all other co-conspirators. To proceed in this manner would cause all of the evidence against Trump and his co-conspirators to see the light of day, possibly even before the election.
2. In the alternative, for whatever the reason, if the Special Prosecutor is precluded from proceeding against Trump on the January 6 insurrection, and given the certainty that if Trump is elected he will close down all pending cases and investigations relating to him, would it be wise for the Special Prosecutor to pursue the release of a Grand Jury report that memorializes, for the sake of posterity, the relevant evidence in this case?
The above reasoning equally applies to the Georgia case. In both cases, if necessary, Trump could be severed, and the trials could proceed against his co-defendants while naming him as an un-indicted co-conspirator. Should they be convicted, their guilt will be imputed to Trump.
Joyce, I have the highest respect for you, and I realize you’re doing your best to load the Civil Discourse community up with your sharp legal analysis..To which you are surpassing all expectations..But while folks do what they can chatting with the neighbors, as a country in real time we have now been threatened..that cannot be permitted.
After his Ohio threats to the nation, there are strategies that demand to be deployed to face this clear and present danger to the country..His threats are not political speech, and they should cross the line of his condition of release, it needs to be contained..He is an unhindered person threatening the country..It must be stopped immediately!
Our drawn-out legal due process is no match for the person who exploits every well-intentioned technicality for his own evil purposes. The only answer here is the ballot box. We can’t expect the courts to save us. And maybe that’s as it should be in a democratic republic. We’re in this together.
Also, is there a website which has a TRULY simple (ie accessible to Trump supporters) description - brief, to the point - of his many crimes?
There should be a website for the following;
1. A description of clear examples of increasing dementia (including clips, properly presented, supported by statements of internationally recognized experts)
2. A SIMPLE outline of his many crimes, dating back to the 1970s, in ways anybody (a 5th grader?) can understand, including the consequences of those crimes
3. A list of never trumpers as well as former cabinet members who don’t support him (why do the Republicans always do this better than anyone else - the conservative folks, many of them Neo conservatives I have never supported, have an excellent ongoing series of articles over at the Bulwark)
4. A response to at least 20 of his most basic, most frequently repeated lies.
I don’t understand why there aren’t 100 websites like this, with TikTok shorts and YouTube channels devoted to blasting this out day after day.
Lefty cynics like myself have been saying for a very long time that Trump would never face a jury, let alone be convicted and sentenced. I just feel sorry for those who still believe in the rule of law and the proper administration of justice, or Jack Smith as superhero. The US court system simply doesn't have a clue (or a chance) in the face of a rich white man with a ruthless streak and a team of lawyers.
Even saying "it's up to the voters" is extremely optimistic in my view - Trump's indictments have been totally normalised, and Jan 6 is now ancient history. The election is now between two horses who are the same-same ... or so it seems ... and the media will treat it as such.
Thanks for telling us what to look out for in the coming week. At least we are informed. I hope others will come forward to state that they are rejecting Trump.
Trump's inflammatory choice of words is out there again doing its dirty work. He is charged with 4 felonies and out on pre-trial release. When will anyone put him where he can't whip things up? He is a danger to society and needs to be off the streets. So frustrating.
I look at the “bloodbath” comment as voter intimidation. A threat if not voted for. Why is he still running around loose. Should be in jail or a mental institution.
Thank you Joyce. I will scream it loud and I will scream it proud. We must find the courage to stand up to such outrage. This is our country, our family, our life our democracy our constitution. Please continue to help us. I for one need guidance.
Thanks Joyce, the reality that you describe I would have to blame Merrick Garland whose opening statement “we will follow the facts where they lead us” waited two years to follow the facts. He also should have pushed the Southern District of New York to immediately send out requested papers immediately. I blame both Fani Willis and Wade for not understanding the optics of their position. Going on vacations with your consultant??? Jesus, Mary , Joseph, Moses and everyone else. All we can do is vote but our judicial system is broken.
Germany 1933.
Pence did not say he wouldn't vote for Trump. He said he wouldn't "endorse" him which is different. I saw a line that he still might vote for him.
I have 2 questions based upon the very real possibility that the Supreme Court will derail Trump being brought to trial on the January 6 insurrection before the November election. My question is based upon the need, both for the American people and for posterity, to reveal the full nature and extent of the culpability of Donald Trump, his accomplices and his co-conspirators in attempting to overthrow the valid election of Joe Biden. Even if the far ring-wing majority of the Supreme Court stretched beyond all reason to rule that Trump had absolute immunity from prosecution for crimes he committed while President, his co-defendants and co-conspirators in the insurrection should not be the beneficiaries of such largesse.
1. There is a virtual certainty that if Trump is re-elected President, he will close down all federal indictments and investigations against him, his accomplices and his co-conspirators. Even if the Supreme Court causes the trial to be delayed until after the election, is there any reason why the Special Prosecutor could not now sever him from the indictment and proceed against his co- defendants, while naming him as an unindicted co-conspirator? It is settled law that the statements of all co-conspirators made in furtherance of the conspiracy are admissible against all other co-conspirators. To proceed in this manner would cause all of the evidence against Trump and his co-conspirators to see the light of day, possibly even before the election.
2. In the alternative, for whatever the reason, if the Special Prosecutor is precluded from proceeding against Trump on the January 6 insurrection, and given the certainty that if Trump is elected he will close down all pending cases and investigations relating to him, would it be wise for the Special Prosecutor to pursue the release of a Grand Jury report that memorializes, for the sake of posterity, the relevant evidence in this case?
The above reasoning equally applies to the Georgia case. In both cases, if necessary, Trump could be severed, and the trials could proceed against his co-defendants while naming him as an un-indicted co-conspirator. Should they be convicted, their guilt will be imputed to Trump.
Joyce, I have the highest respect for you, and I realize you’re doing your best to load the Civil Discourse community up with your sharp legal analysis..To which you are surpassing all expectations..But while folks do what they can chatting with the neighbors, as a country in real time we have now been threatened..that cannot be permitted.
After his Ohio threats to the nation, there are strategies that demand to be deployed to face this clear and present danger to the country..His threats are not political speech, and they should cross the line of his condition of release, it needs to be contained..He is an unhindered person threatening the country..It must be stopped immediately!
Our drawn-out legal due process is no match for the person who exploits every well-intentioned technicality for his own evil purposes. The only answer here is the ballot box. We can’t expect the courts to save us. And maybe that’s as it should be in a democratic republic. We’re in this together.
To be clear, Pence said he wouldn't endorse Trump, not that he wouldn't vote for him. That's typical Republican double talk.
🎶 No one knows what's like to be Bad man,
... to be the Sad man
[ Under Orange hair ]
No one knows what's like.
... to be hated to be fated
to tell only LIES!
🎶 But, my dreams , they aren't as empty ...
As my conscience seems to be ...
I have only [weeks] only lonely ...
My love is VENGEANCE, that's never free. 🎶
And, tffg is way past "his jail time" Hat tip to Jimmy Kimmel & Peter Townsend
Also, is there a website which has a TRULY simple (ie accessible to Trump supporters) description - brief, to the point - of his many crimes?
There should be a website for the following;
1. A description of clear examples of increasing dementia (including clips, properly presented, supported by statements of internationally recognized experts)
2. A SIMPLE outline of his many crimes, dating back to the 1970s, in ways anybody (a 5th grader?) can understand, including the consequences of those crimes
3. A list of never trumpers as well as former cabinet members who don’t support him (why do the Republicans always do this better than anyone else - the conservative folks, many of them Neo conservatives I have never supported, have an excellent ongoing series of articles over at the Bulwark)
4. A response to at least 20 of his most basic, most frequently repeated lies.
I don’t understand why there aren’t 100 websites like this, with TikTok shorts and YouTube channels devoted to blasting this out day after day.
Personally I feel that if Fani agreed to wear a scarlet letter the Orange jackass might be satisfied enough to shut up about her…….nah.
Lefty cynics like myself have been saying for a very long time that Trump would never face a jury, let alone be convicted and sentenced. I just feel sorry for those who still believe in the rule of law and the proper administration of justice, or Jack Smith as superhero. The US court system simply doesn't have a clue (or a chance) in the face of a rich white man with a ruthless streak and a team of lawyers.
Even saying "it's up to the voters" is extremely optimistic in my view - Trump's indictments have been totally normalised, and Jan 6 is now ancient history. The election is now between two horses who are the same-same ... or so it seems ... and the media will treat it as such.
Merrick Garland needs to take a lot of the blame.
"now if I don’t get elected … it’s going to be a bloodbath for the country.” He didn't say whose blood... maybe he meant his blood. Is he prescient?
Thanks for telling us what to look out for in the coming week. At least we are informed. I hope others will come forward to state that they are rejecting Trump.
We might just could use some of Carnac’s expertise right now in dealing with the Orange narcissistic psychopath!