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This is no longer Biden vs Trump. This is bigger and should be emphasized as such in the campaign. This is DEMOCRACY vs PROJECT 2025.

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That's what I began sharing of late. Democracy isn't a "single issue," it's what we have to lose this November. Finding the most relevant piece in this 920 page document of terror when in conversation with someone on the subject is that perfect strategy of "meet people where they are." Far more useful than screaming or fear-mongering, but a heckuva lot harder to practice in these fraught times.

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Good suggestion! To “meet people where they are” takes policy out of the abstract and makes it personal. It motivates people to pay attention and investigate. Most importantly voters need details to imagine the cruelty of what a 2nd Trump America would look like.

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MaryJo, thanks; truly, the devil is buried in all those details, and a couple of the examples Joyce shared in her post truly resonated.

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@LinMarie: Register Democrats to beat Project 2025.

https://www.fieldteam6.org/

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yes, fieldteam6, registering Democratic voters!

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I'm sharing information daily, on FB, X, and Instragram, but without sounding like a conspiratorial nut job, lol. It's harder than it looks.

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Michael, as I found it necessary to unwind from social media some while ago, largely because "conspiratorial nut job" isn't a good look for me, ha, I salute your efforts. FB in particular is a space I avoid, and choose instead to work through likeminded group efforts that don't require my participation in the mayhem and noise of platforms too easily manipulated.

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Absolutely! If this were FDR’s third term and let’s say a nazi were running against him, excusing the holocaust, would the media focus on FDR’s health? That he was in a wheelchair? Migod! Project 2025 vs democracy indeed!

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Democracy vs Project 2025 AND The Press

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The Press is WOEFULLY inadequate.

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The Press is complicit

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The press is doing to Biden exactly what they did to Hillary.

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The press has become the GOP cheerleading squad, while busily pointing out the chinks in Democrat's armor, they ignore the entire right wing fetid neo-fascist machine the GOP has become.

They are controlled by the very oligarchs they should be reporting on.

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Media is as harmful as Jim Comey?

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Agreed. That is why talking to people one-on-one is going to be so important to the swing voters. The rest of us know the deal already even if many do not know the details of Project 2025. My group of Democrats Abroad in Hamburg and Northern Germany have started a book club on Project 2025. We started with reading some articles about it just to get our feet wet and organize how we want to do this. Our goal is just what is being suggested here, to be able to talk to people. So, I read the Education part myself at Joyce Vance's suggestion, and I have had a lot to say about it because it is talking about destroying public education. Even if you are a home schooler you often need to turn to the public schools for struggling child to get specialized services. This is horrifying because clearly they don't believe in Public Education. Yesterday Heather Cox Richardson spoke to a few thousand Democrats Abroad and when asked about Christian Nationalists, she was telling us that for the first Election Trump made them his base but his policy was for the Business community. Now, they are his base and his policy is for them too, and the business community has to be satisfied with tax breaks in a country that will break down in all of the ways that it has existed. I also think we need to be asking people what they think government is there for. To invade your private life, or to take care of the people. Under Trump there will be no care taking, and lots of invading your private life. Today I am going on to read the part called The White House Office by Rick Dearborn. I am taking notes on what I read too. He as the former White House Deputy Chief of Staff, so how Trump does not know about this is either because Trump is too far gone to know about anything, or because Trump is as usual lying and the press as you point is complicit in that they just let him be. He has totally manipulated them into being part of his fascist propaganda machine.

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Trump knows about it. He is lying, as usual.

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"The Press"? Right now I'm listening to Media Matters, a project of the Courier Newsroom. Do you want to declare war on them too? Do you want to declare war on, say, ProPublica, which broke the story of Clarence Thomas's "gifts" from billionaire Harlan Crow and others? Maybe you should be a bit more specific.

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Please provide me with a suitable description for how average Americans are being led to believe that Biden is on his death bed, is destroying America and Convict Trump is the Savior and I’ll use that

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Corporate MSM. Media Matters and ProPublica are not that.

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Exactly my point. "The press" needs a qualifier like "corporate" or "mainstream" to clarify what's meant.

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Please be more careful with your blanket statements.

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Hmmm, I shall, however using your suggestion doesn’t seem too descriptive in the face of your critique

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Whoa now -- you unfairly conflate *some* media outlets with a wide and deep news industry that is doing nothing close to what you suggest.

No newspapers, news sites or broadcasters that I see are treating Trump as a savior. None. Not a single one.

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But they are NOT treating him as the dangerous criminal, a guy ON BAIL, who has promised to be a dictator on day one and was just handed the power to be just that by SCOTUS. They are NOT doing their job in their role in a democracy to inform citizens accurately so that we can then act and vote in accordance with that information.

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Alan, are they treating him as a convicted, dangerous pariah as he is?

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Fox? WSJ? Newsmax? New York Post?

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Fox News.

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with MSM, look at who owns the publication.

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Well said. There is a press out there,but it is harder to find. NYT (among others) seems to have suddenly fallen toward the right, ignoring the chasm that Trump, Leonard, SCOTUS, et al is pushing democracy into.

The Foxification of "news" is driving the narrative, and much of America has been lulled into a zombie like trance of blind acceptance.

We have a few short months to ring the warning bells. No time for rest or room for division in this mission.

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and it is also becoming social media. FB is using an "independent fact checker" that is removing posts about project 2025. Robert Reich posted and image about what project 2025 would do and many reported their re-posts (including me) removed for "disinformation". also a lot of right wing posts about how comments about the billionaires are paying their fair share and it is wrong to want to increase their tax rate. Robert Reich also had a tic tok video removed.

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So much for responsibility on the part of social media… This makes me glad that I got permanently off facebook, and am on no other media platforms.

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Dave, the sad part of the press is that they have sold their souls and continue to spread the lies by not reporting the truth.

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Who are "they" or "the press"? You accuse much to broadly for it to be meaningful.

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Democracy vs Project 2025/Main Stream Media/SCOTUS

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Oh come on now, please. There is no 'The Press' -- there are hundreds of newspapers, news sites and broadcasters with varied coverage of the presidential race.

Yes, some seem unduly focused on Biden's fitnesss and a few -- a few -- suggest in editorials that his candidacy should end. A vast majority of others cover the legit questions raised by the debate in a balanced, fair way.

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Where are the comments about Trump lying continuously and talking gibberish at his rallies? He's getting a free pass by mainstream news media. Biden's issues are now more flashy so let's destroy democracy by not comparing him to a felon.

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I see and hear examples regularly, Ruth, even though I try to avoid coverage solely about Trump. His nonsense in June and again recently about shark attack risks from electric boats sinking because of heavy batteries was reported and ridiculed widely.

In The New York Times today, columnist John McWhorter writes about what he calls Biden's "lack of elocution — which Donald Trump is also quite given to."

In The Washington Post on June 24, longtime columnist Eugene Robinson wrote: "Equally alarming is his disordered, elliptical syntax. Sentences take off in one direction and change course midflight. Pronouns lack antecedents. . . .

"Repeatedly telling a nonsensical story, and in a chopped salad of words, is different — and hair-raising when the speaker is a candidate for president."

[source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/06/24/trump-rally-sharks-media-electrocution/]

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Since 'the debate' they've been quiet about Trump for the most part. Yes, NYT wrote about Trump being wholy unqualified, but they've mostly been very quiet. They're enjoying the Biden fiasco, knowing that this could put Trump back in the Whitehouse. They could write and talk about Trump as much as they're doing about Biden, but that's old news. This is more fun for them.

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Alan, a few? Listening to Sirrius POTUS channel right now. Its all about “I can’t believe Biden hasn’t dropped out yet”. Nothing on crimal Trump

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In the current environment - of course that is exactly what would happen!

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I DISSENT

Will the 4th of July become the 4th of the Lie

If the new Reich has its way

Is project 2025 here to stay?

Will this experiment fail

To a new Seig Heil?

" A Republic, if you can keep it", Franklin was quoted as saying

Now liberty and justice appear to be fraying.

The Red Haters will never relent

Unless we all get out and vote - I Dissent!

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Would sending out massive amounts of Project 2025 postcards help?

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As a veteran postcarder, I think that such postcards would have to be targeted to particular audiences, as Joyce's Substack demonstrates. Postcards are effective in informing voters about specific issues like candidates' positions, registration deadlines, etc. Project 2025 is big and sprawling. Hard to explain on a postcard (1) what it is, and (2) why they should care about it.

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But as my comment below suggests we need to develop more mass education materials, in accessible bite-sized pieces.

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Stories about people. Brief stories, like the one Joyce put in her essay about the guy with a daughter.

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Steve, yes, stories are powerful, particularly if you have one that relates directly to the people you are talking with. I would like to hear someone interviewed who helped develop the plan and maybe reps from some of those 100 organizations that endorse it to see what they were thinking, who put them up to it, how much they were paid to essentially betray their country, you know, the usual stuff one would ask a saboteur of democracy. I know their answer would be bull**it, but it would be interesting to hear their cookie-cutter answers which will make no sense to any thinking person, but will sound just great to them, guys who are so addicted to power and money they can hardly function without hurting someone.

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OMG, yes! Has anything like this been done? If not, why not? A top question would have to be "How do you reconcile Project 2025 with the U.S. Constitution?"

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Candor shouldn't be expected of anyone involved in the development of the plan, beyond admitting they authored parts of it.

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I agree. The document is too long and sprawling to discuss competently. Each chapter needs to be condensed and personalized so folks will understand how it affects them personally, and not just as some existential threat. Like a page or two per chapter.

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The problem with such condensing P2025 into smaller pieces is its complexity.

I found it easy, but tedious, to eliminate the grievances which form the basis of the need for change argument. However in so doing one eliminates any context which may be needed to understand a given change.

The sheer volume of text even without the grievances is daunting. I struggled over what was necessary to illustrate the extreme nature of the change .

Quite frankly it simply is too extensive. Every proposed change included in the plan is significant enough to sound an alarm.

I am not a professional editor. I wanted to produce what you describe but found it much more difficult than imagined. Looking back, the idea I had of producing a summary, was not something of which was capable. So I changed course.

What I tried to do was extract ideas from the plan then edit those ideas with an eye to retaining their meaning., and not provide any opinion. I wanted the plan's words to be give folks the freedom to form their opinion.

The result was a ham-handed attempt in pursuit of a noble goal.

I am heartened to see P2025 being discussed widely at this point.

I no longer feel like a lone voice yelling into a hurricane.

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Field Team 6 has a new postcard script about Project 2025. I have been using it all week. I like it but see what you think:

"Americans expect freedom and safety. But if elected, convicted felon Donald Trump and MAGA Republicans will enact a terrifying plan called Project 2025 that will take away our freedoms, ban abortion, contraception and IVF, and destroy our planet. Fight back! Register at Voterizer.org and elect Democrats, who are the only party standing between us and this unAmerican future."

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Hi Sharon,

my original response to your question is below.

Now 3 days later, I have a better answer for you.

Hat's off to the folks who produced this.

https://thinkbigpicture.substack.com/p/project-2025-heritage-foundation-trump

Concerning mass-education, I can give you an update. This is part of a response somewhere farther down thread:

The problem with such condensing P2025 into smaller pieces is its complexity.

I found it easy, but tedious, to eliminate the grievances which form the basis of the need for change argument. However in so doing one eliminates any context which may be needed to understand a given change.

The sheer volume of text even without the grievances is daunting. I struggled over what was necessary to illustrate the extreme nature of the change .

Quite frankly it simply is too extensive. Every proposed change included in the plan is significant enough to sound an alarm.

I am not a professional editor. I wanted to produce what you describe but found it much more difficult than imagined. Looking back, the idea I had of producing a summary, was not something of which was capable. So I changed course.

What I tried to do was extract ideas from the plan then edit those ideas with an eye to retaining their meaning., and not provide any opinion. I wanted the plan's words to be give folks the freedom to form their opinion.

The result was a ham-handed attempt in pursuit of a noble goal.

Except for this one post:

I made a glossary of acronyms used in Project 2025.

When I posted it April 6, it up it went out to 13 people. Through the substack community restacking it 16 times, It has been viewed over 900 times in the last three days in at least 31 states. It's helping people read it themselves in 31 states that I know of. Here's a link to share if you'd like.

https://ki6mnk.substack.com/p/project-2025-glossary-of-acronyms

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Go to David Pepper’s Substack, “Pepperspectives” (I think that’s correct). He’s writing a novel about P2025, and has so far released 4 chapters, all absolutely chilling! Read and then share each one separately, so as not to overwhelm those you share with. I’m finding this to be quite effective.

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I just mention 1) women’s rights to healthcare, 2) they want to abolish Medicare and Medicaid, 3) they want to get rid of the CDC and the NIH. Those 3 usually wind up in what else does the GOP want to get rid of. Conversation ensues!

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I think we need Billboard rather than post cards that just get the circular file.

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This is an intersting idea. I am trying to get my congressman to write a summary to put into each newspaper within his constituency . I like it referred to as a document of terror. Nice ring LinMarie.

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Thanks, Anne; just describing the first wave of my response when reading any portion of the MAGA Manifesto.

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I've also been thinking about Project 2025 postcards. Besides mailing them, I'd like to have a postcard reminder of the bullet points to reference in conversation. This person has made a list that would fit on a postcard--or half the list on different cards. Anyone able to make it happen? If so, I have a few avenues of amplification, and you can email me at heathersherd@gmail.com.

https://www.threads.net/@ericbadofsky/post/C9QRwU2yz48/?xmt=AQGzeXqvTKcQw_v3FodaLmVsQ7n3AtizutHM18W9u8xeKA

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Project 2025 is just the structure.

Consider just one group:. people on SSI, their friends, family, caregivers, social workers, and especially their lawyers. As of 2023, 67,076,966 Americans received SSI. I’m sure more do now. As president, Trump tried and failed to cut benefits drastically. Some Republicans wanted to replace the entire system. See. Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, Trump, House Republican Cuts to SSI Would Harm Children With Disabilities, Sept. 18, 2017, Kathleen Romig and Guillermo Herrera. https://www.cbpp.org/research/social-security/trump-house-republican-cuts-to-ssi-would-harm-children-with-disabilities

“The Trump proposal would cut SSI by more than $8 billion over the next decade, shrinking benefits for roughly a quarter of a million children with disabilities by between 38 and 66 percent. It would also increase SSI’s administrative costs and improper payments”.

Some Republicans have threatened to kill it. Demean beneficiaries as “takers.”

Yet some SSI recipients are registered Republican!

It's ironic that some on SSI slit their own throats.

Every dime an SSI beneficiary gets is spent and proves that John Maynard Keynes was right -- causing a positive ripple effect. “Demand creates its own supply.”

Those benefits go into the hands of practically every business.

I've been asking DNC data to identify MAGATs on SSI and their caregivers to alert them that they are committing suicide.

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Any good t-shirts out there re Project 2025?

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I looked this morning for Project 2025 tshirts and didn’t find any. How about a shirt with the Civil Discourse logo and Something like Vote for Democracy. Stop Project 2025.

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It needs to have chickens, too.

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Thank you Ellie for this vital link. I may have an opportunity to share tomorrow.

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Does Project 2025 also propose cuts to SSI?

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Oh, yeah.

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Or billboards.

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I think that's a great idea. I'm writing what feels like an endless stream of postcards to encourage people in Georgia to vote -- I think the 2025 info mailing is a great idea.

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Not Postcards! One of the Most Dangerous confrontations I had with MAGA Violence followed a handwritten Dem postcard (postmark in CA) to my (GA) mailbox about standing up for women, in early 2017. MAGA's "Biblical Patriarchy" (like Bannon fancies himself) intercepts mail; in regard to mail they don't like, e.g. voting, they make sure injuries are severe enough that we miss voting. (This Danger is common; the African American community has warned us since the Voting Rights Act(s), a *legal right* is not a *right in reality*; and since the 1970s, has impacted those of us who continue to nonviolently stand for human & civil rights. FYI: Project 2025's "Mandate" was actually written in 1981 for Reagan; GOP started institutionalizing it (I saw it, I & Others have been injured repeatedly under its "authority" operating here in GA). It was only "Updated" in 2023 for 2025. Take it seriously. And No Postcards. "Relationship influence" ("pay-it-forward" with ideas, is the most effective organizing method; despite the Biblical Patriarchy, we turned GA purple, even blue in some previously stronghold-red suburbs).

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seriously?? This is really scary. This implies corruption within the PO. Good god almighty.

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This is so frightening, and I never knew about it. Thank you!

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It sure as heck wouldn’t hurt! Getting the word out any way you can is what must happen. Every store I go into in my small town, I ask if everyone is registered to vote and if not, I have a bunch of registration forms from our Board of Elections to hand out and even leave a few in the event someone wants to get their spouse or older (eligible!) son or daughter. It’s surprising how many folks aren’t registered! I also have a sheet printed with how to find Project 2025 from those who haven’t a clue about it!

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It can’t hurt!

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PLEASE EXPLAIN THAT TO Nancy Pelosi, loud and clear. She is gumming up he works and needs to stand SOLIDLY behind Joe Biden.

What the hellis going on??

Unerstand?!??!

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I think it is more the media’s deliberate misinterpretation of Pelosi’s words that is gumming up the works right now. As is their fashion of late. Do they not understand that Project 2025 is coming for them too.

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The corporate media barons are unashamedly pro MAGA. The promise of further deregulation and lower taxes translates into higher personal profits for them. They are not in the media business to inform people but to fleece them. Most of their employees are freelance and their livelihoods depend upon following the company line. Their greed obsessed higher management do not care what happens to their serfs under Project 2025 and have neither the historical education or the imagination to enable them to understand what is in store for them and their families under a Christo fascist Trump led autocracy.

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I don't agree that the Times and the Post are pro MAGA -- can you please give specific examples?

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The substacks of Jeff Tiedrich, Robert Reich, Heather Cox Richardson and TC in LA and their well informed commenters are a few folk that are highly recommended for you to fulfil your request for immaculately sourced specific examples.

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Thank you. I read all of those. I will read more closely for specific examples.

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I am saddened by her lukewarm comments about Biden this morning. It may well be that he withdraws, but if so, he should go out in glory,--not pushed out.

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Watch Heather Cox Richardson on Monday, July 15, at 7:00 pm. This is sponsored by Red, Wine and Blue. Sign up on the website. Be informed about what we face as a country if Trump is elected. There is no doubt that this Republican platform goes against everything we stand for in this country. Think about how this could impact you and members of your family personally.

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Another opportunity to listen to HCR is Al Franken's podcast of july 7th. https://www.alfranken.com/listen She's very interesting on the "debate" too.

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THANK YOU! I just did. I'll be there listening with my glass of wine and my knitting.

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I won’t have knitting, but I

WILL have my wine! Thanks, Alicia!

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Then it’s people who must organize- bottom up, strategically, and with concrete actions. We can’s expect the media to do this.

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If trump and Project 2025 win, NO ONE, and I do mean NO ONE will be safe. They will turn America into scorched earth. Remember how well fascism and Hitler worked out for Germany and the world?

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This is LIFE of our Democracy or DEATH. Pretty black and white as I see it. Too bad more people don't.

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I can't recall how I first heard of Project 2025, but I knew I had to read the whole thing to understand it in context. Skipping content in math, inevitably demands that one read the missed content.

Honestly, I didn't want to fill my head with the garbage I suspected it would contain. Recognizing my reluctance, I was compelled to read the entire plan. I spent a lot of time reading Thoreau to rehab my brain afterwards.

It's easy to describe in broad strokes: The plan will destroy our government. This doesn't convey its severity, or the urgency of action needed to reject it.

The detailed nature of the plan is perhaps something one can use to convince others to investigate.

If I had to select one thing that would capture the attention of someone it would be the preparation and execution of the plan.

With the experience of 2020 upon which to draw, Project 2025 has been designed for rapid deployment. When the plan refers to Day one implementation, the natural question is: What can be changed in a day? My answer: The complete, systematic elimination of anything that could stultify their coup.

With executive orders in hand, replacements can enter the offices of all key positions, and within minutes be installed in that position. The plan will allow positions to be filled with replacements holding "Acting" status immediately and furthermore imbues them with all the authority of that position.

This solves two problems viz. Avoiding the possibility of delays by senate confirmation requirements or any vetting process of the replacements. and, The replacements will have complete authority over that positions policy decisions.

They could literally control all government policy so quickly, that by the time you realize what's happening, it's already in place..

The entire government is gone and executive orders have been issued to make what they've done legal. Hitler did this in his rise to power.

Is that scary enough? If not, read the plan.

We could wake up to a new, and very different, reality on Day 2.

I don't usually present this doomsday aspect. Subscribers here, however, who need incentive, may be spurred to action with this approach..

I am heartened to see the elevation of Project 2025, by sources with a wider reach than mine.

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Exactly. This isn’t a popularity contest or game show.

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N Johnson: This is about the most concise and incisive statements yet on the reality of America and the world today!

Thank you, N. Johnson!

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I had a shock today; a good shock!

My 81-year-old MAGA friend sent me this text:

"I hate it when Trump acts like an asshole like this. Just saw what he was babbling away on Fox. Why can’t the guy just keep his fucking mouth shut?"

When it is sinking in to this friend that Orange Jesus acts like and is an asshole, I smile!

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I think the skies just cleared for a moment just reading this.

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Reading the plan I was shocked by its extensive nature. The government envisioned in the plan will not be able to perform the necessary functions of governance, but a functioning government has never been a consideration. Its focus is the takeover, not the function, of governance.

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It’s aim is chaos. It’s architect an enemy, who else but a man in Moscow.

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They find, in Trump, a useful idiot bent on power, who has no foresight. When Trump's utility is exhausted, he will fall out a window.

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Since tfg acts like an a-hole pretty much all the time, your friend must be upset 24 hours a day!

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I was just wondering Jason, if you ever had discussions with your MAGA friend previously where you said anything negative about Trump. Many people get defensive when confronted. If he knows you think Trump is terrible and still sent you that text, that's really impressive. Either way, congratulations. : )

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Another exchange that was my response to a RWNJ Bidenomics is destroying America email he sent me:

Me: “Stock market keeps breaking records!!”

Him: “Hang onto your butt someday we’re going to get fucking nailed”

Me: “If we deport 15,000,000 workers and slap tariffs on everything I fear you are correct!”

Don’t give up on your MAGA friends! Joyce is correct! There is something in Project 2025 that will speak to them, blow their minds and piss them off once they know.

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I would never want everyone else to give up on their MAGA friends. I didn't mean to imply that other people should. And I really admire people who can have those conversations without either person getting heated.

You and your 81 year old friend seem to have a more good-natured exchange than some of us have had, despite how deeply held your opinions may be. Those conversations between the two of you make me smile. Thank you for sharing a few of your chats with him.

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Don't forget to tell them to Look it up!

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CC - He knows I can’t stand Mar-a-Lardo!

A recent exchange:

MAGA friend responding to a MSNBC screenshot of The Don and his fellow convicted aides: “I can’t wait till Trump kicks ass and I can rub your nose in it ha ha ha”

Me: “You really think Independents will vote for the Trump Crime Syndicate?”

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Wow, now I'm really impressed...both by your friend's recent comment and your ability to tolerate his prior comments about Trump. Sounds like maybe you both have a good sense of humor about it.

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Maybe this person is no longer a MAGA friend: Perhaps he/she has seen the light. Hallelujah !!

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Borrowing from the Marx Brothers,

"Ladies and Gentlemen of the jury, Donald here may talk like an asshole, and look like an asshole, but don't let that fool you: he really is an asshole.

I implore you, send him back to his staff and supporters, who are waiting for him with open arms in the penitentiary."

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We all have A**holes and our comfort and even our lives are pretty dependent on them so I will continue to refer to DJT as the gangrenous hemorrhoid.

Thanks for making me laugh as well.

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Beautifully said! Thank you for making me laugh - something I really needed.

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Jason, that's a wonderful awakening concidering he has always been an a**hole. Sadly, I will bet this person still votes for the a**hole!!

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But will he still vote for Trump?

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Unknown! I just forwarded him the rvat.org link and asked him if he's ready to join that group! 🤞🤞🤞

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So glad people are learning about it

MSNBC is highlighting it as well. Thank goodness. However, I am disgusted by NYT ‘s focus and biased reporting.

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I finally cancelled my NYT subscription today and very happily completed multiple surveys about why.

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I cancelled mine a few weeks ago (spending too much time doomscrolling on it) but never got inquiries as to why.

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me too- after 20 years!

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It appears the NYTimes has gotten the message with our displeasure of the “Grey Lady”, they’re finally saying…Donald Trump is UNFIT for office…

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But NYT is not saying that Biden IS fit for office.

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I cancelled mine way back in Feb. just after posting "Mainstream Media Has a Double Standard on Slip-ups by Politicians not Named Biden" on my substack.

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Me too. Except for the Cooking section.

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The NYTimes is not reporting. They are all in for Trump. Have you not noticed? The press is the only entity named specifically in the Constitution, First Amendment. They are comfortable with ending the Freedom of The Press. Go figure.

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Not quite true. Today's piece from the Editorial Board of the NYT eviscerates Trump as unfit. I agree that they have not been balanced and some headlines have been very misleading, but it appears somebody woke up at the Times.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/07/11/opinion/editorials/donald-trump-2024-unfit.html?unlocked_article_code=1.6U0.CNuZ.8mTKHA9aTyRE&smid=em-share

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Good article… at last. Let’s hope this is not a “one and done”

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Maybe they’re trying to build up their readership at Biden’s expense. No loyalty there.

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I’m an ER nurse. I had lunch with one of our ER docs on Monday. He’s a progressive but is concerned that Biden can’t win and so was thinking about skipping the election.

I asked him “what about project 2025.?”He’d never heard of it. I went on to outline quite a few of the provisions that will affect healthcare - a national abortion ban prohibiting emergency care for miscarrying pts or those with ectopic pregnancies. I talked about the cutback to Medicare and Medicaid that will have a huge impact on hospitals especially smaller ones like the one we work at. I discussed the taking over of the FDA and the disbanding of the CDC. It was eye-opening for him and by the end of the conversation he was on his phone googling. I can’t guarantee he’ll vote, but I’ll stay on him about the fact that this election isn’t about 2 old men. It’s about defense of our democracy and Republic.

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It's progressives who don't want to vote who got Trump elected in the first place.

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I agree but I didn’t think this particular progressive was going to hear me if I approached it that way.

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True. I guess that was implied in the word “doctor.”

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It's the non-voters. 110 million of whom didn't vote in the last presidential election. That's why the GOTV grassroots effort is so important.

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Good for you! That lunchtime conversation made a big difference.

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Good for you, Ann!

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Can’t believe this Doctors stupidity!

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Eliminating the NOAA has to be one of the most ridiculous parts in my opinion. Sort of like how they felt about COVID: if we don’t track how many are getting sick, it doesn’t exist. If we don’t track the weather, then climate change and natural disasters won’t exist. 🙄

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If you don't keep visitor logs, nobody dubious visited🙃

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Trump kept the White House visitor log secret from the public.

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Yes, what I meant

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Eliminating NOAA is frightening to me! I live in coastal Virginia. I can’t imagine not being warned about hurricanes, nor’easters and coastal flooding/ flash floods which are quite routine around here. This is a really dumb and dangerous plan.

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😡

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Singers are mentioning Project 2025 while they are on stage! Ari Melber had a slide indicating P 2025 was the most recently searched topic on the internet! People are listening!

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I am grateful to learn people are interested enough to be learning about how bad Project 2025 can be for most of us.

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that makes me hopeful

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As a professional historian (and former Foreign Service Officer) I am certain that Project 2025 is a modern-day version of Hitler’s MEIN KAMPF.

The big difference is that MEIN KAMPF was written when Hitler was in jail and no one took it seriously. Subsequently the world suffered dreadfully.

Project 2025 has been drafted at the Heritage Foundation with over 30 former Trump administration personnel and some of his current prominent advisors intimately involved.

It is a 925 page blueprint for an authoritarian 2nd Trump administration. It has chapter and verse on how the takeover will be managed, the ‘loyalty’ required by participants, the dissing of existing government—including the Justice Department and the FBI—, and everything one would expect from a ME, ME, ME cult leader.

Trump, realizing that Project 2025 had been the object of strong criticism, recently bold-faced lied that he had no knowledge or association with Project 2025. PSHAW! This is his blue print for taking over the American government, including another January 6th if the election doesn’t go his way.

The Democrats have Trump’s master plan to sideline the Constitution and install an authoritarian government.

THEY SHOULD INCESSANTLY SHOVE PROJECT 2025 UP TRUMP’S WAZOO.

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Do you seriously think that Trump is capable of the detailed long-range planning evident in Project 2025? I don't. The Project 2025 people are using Trump to achieve their own agenda (i.e., wet dream). The fact that many of them were in the Trump administration doesn't mean much: Trump appointed whom he was told to appoint.

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Any more than Trump is ‘selecting’ his VP. The VP on the Republican ticket will be chose by the Heritage Foundation and Leonard Leo/The Federalist Society. Trump is merely a figurehead for these darker, more sinister forces. He’s in charge of nothing.

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Maria Trump on ‘policy’ is like the ‘fortune wheel’ in a circus side show. He has no core roots except ME ME ME and can be manipulated by folks more focused and even more sinister. Trump is a dangerous loose cannon.

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"A useful idiot."

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Susan A dangerous idiot!

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But at the same time he's a force to be reckoned with. As I noted elsewhere, he has a fanatically devoted national following. None of Project 2025 backers has the name-recognition or charisma to pull together a rally in a mid-sized town (although, true, with help they might fill one of those mega fundamentalist churches).

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I totally agree!

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Susanna The authors of Project 2025 are endeavoring to ‘institutionalize’ a 2025 Trump takeover of government. You are correct that Trump is incapable of any long-term planning, whether domestically or globally. He shoots from the hip (or the mouth). However, unlike 2016, when there was no effective transition time (after Chris Christie was fired,’) now some Trump zealots (Stephen Miller I find the most frightening) are planning an organized takeover in which Trump will be more the follower than a MEIN KAMPF-type Hitler.

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That's basically my analysis too: they need Trump in the White House because none of them are going to get anywhere close on their own. However, as you know, depending so heavily on Trump carries some big liabilities. Trump is a loose cannon, and Trump has a fanatically devoted mass following. They don't.

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I do not believe that the Convicted Felon has the intellect nor the attention span to plan anything except his next meal, or ordering his next meal. This P2025 goes so much deeper than the personality of The Sociopath.

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Or is this all according to Putin’s long game??

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That has definitely occurred to me.

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Project 2025 is the Libertarians and WEC’s wet dream.

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EXACTLY

trump is a puppet for the authors and the oligarchs who are financing our supreme court .

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Trump is their puppet. That’s all he’s ever been for the far right and Russia.

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I agree, but that doesn't mean Project 2025 won't be implemented.

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I have a lot of reading to do on the particulars of Project 2025, but the well-informed commentary I've read so far suggests that it will take action by Congress and even constitutional amendments to implement a lot of it. Project 2025 isn't going anywhere if Trump loses the election, which he's going to. This is not to say that its drafters won't try to sneak parts of it in by the back or side doors, as indeed they're already doing in the Gilead states.

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Suzanna - that’s a slippery slope.

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List of authors of Project 2025 who served in Trump's administration:

Here’s a list of every listed Project 2025 author who worked in 45’s administration. 25 of 36 total authors. (69%)

Jonathan Berry - US Department of Justice

Adam Candeub - Assistant Secretary of Commerce and Deputy Associate Attorney General

Brendan Carr - Senior Republican on the Federal Communications Commission

Benjamin S. Carson, Sr., MD - Secretary of the US Department of Housing and Urban Development

Ken Cuccinelli - Acting Director of US Citizenship and Immigration Services; Acting Deputy Secretary for the US Department of Homeland Security

Rick Dearborn - Deputy Chief of Staff

Diana Furchtgott-Roth - Deputy Assistant Secretary at the US Department of Transportation

Thomas F. Gilman - Assistant Secretary of Commerce and Chief Financial Officer at the US Department of Commerce

Mandy M. Gunasekara - Chief of Staff at the Environmental Protection Agency

Gene Hamilton - Counselor to the Attorney General at the US Department of Justice

Jennifer Hazelton - senior strategic consultant for the Department of Defense

Dennis Dean Kirk - senior positions at the Office of Personnel Management

Christopher Miller - several positions during the 45 administration in areas of defense

Mora Namdar - Assistant Secretary of State for Consular Affairs

Peter Navarro - Director of 45’s Office of Trade and Manufacturing Policy; also went to jail

Max Primorac - acting Chief Operating Officer and Assistant to the Administrator, Bureau of Humanitarian Assistance, US Agency for International Development

Roger Severino - Director of Civil Rights at the US Department of Health and Human Services

Kiron K. Skinner - Director of Policy Planning and Senior Advisor at the US Department of State

Brooks D Tucker - Assistant Secretary for Congressional and Legislative Affairs and Acting Chief of Staff

Hans A von Spakovsky - former member of 45’s Advisory Committee on Election Integrity

Russ Vought - Director of the Office of Management and Budget

William L. Walton - member of 45’s transition team

Paul Winfree - member of 45’s transition team

Paul Dans - Chief of Staff at the US Office of Personnel Management and senior advisor at the US Department of Housing and Urban Development

Steven Groves - Assistant Special Counsel, the Mueller investigation

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Joy Warm thanks for this Project 2505 list. I believe that some names are excluded. For example, Stephen Miller, who was Trump’s ‘Himmler’ in the White House, is not listed. I believe elsewhere that I saw that his venom had been injected into Project 2025.

Most notable is the absence of at least 40 senior members of Trump’s government who have turned on him and attacked him for being ‘f++king incompetent’ and even worse.

Hitler wrote his frightening MEIN KAMPF diatribe by himself. Trump could not even write ART OF THE SCHLEMIEL by himself.

P. S. I doubt that he has read either the Bible or the full Project 2025 text.

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And Stephen Miller had been comm director for Sen. Jeff Sessions, who became Trump's first AG. I'm willing to bet that virtually all the names on that list, valuable as it is, came into the Trump White House by similar means: connections to GOP establishment figures. The only exceptions are members of the inner circle, like Jared, Ivanka, and Michael Cohen (who was Trump's personal lawyer and high up in the 2016 campaign but IIRC never held an official White House position).

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A particularly droll touch is that DJT's administration even entertained the remote notion of an Advisory Committee on Election Integrity...

Thanks for compiling this list.

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You said it nicer than I would have Keith 🙏

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Dick My wife tries to keep me ‘nice,’ but often she fails.

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That's what they did with Hillary's Laptop & Biden's age!

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I've known about it for a few months but always found a reason to put off reading it. Where do I even begin? So I began with things I knew something about. I have encouraged others online to post about things in it that would affect them (or their friends and relatives) or topics that interested them. There really is something in it for anybody and everybody to be concerned about.

Keep on posting. Keep on sharing. Keep on reporting. Keep on fighting.

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Gaye Heather Cox Richardson recently posted an article on Project 2025 that also included reference her earlier Project 2025 articles. It’s a frightening document to read and gradually absorb.

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Keith, which one do you mean? HCR's Letters from an American of 7/04/24?

https://open.substack.com/pub/heathercoxrichardson/p/july-4-2024?r=6pp8t&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email

Interestingly, on 7/05/24, a Newsweek writer cited HCR regarding a "growing chorus of analysts criticizing Roberts' comments and policy proposals as being authoritarian."

https://www.newsweek.com/project-2025-leader-working-implement-policies-putin-ally-viktor-orban-1921480

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Check out the Wikipedia article about it. Snopes also has a lengthy overview of it. Both are footnoted.

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I was unaware of the Snopes overview. I would think they'd be pretty reliable. Thanks for that.

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As a librarian who has had experience with Snopes since it's founding, I have found it (them/researchers) to be very reliable. Snopes was created by a husband and wife pair of librarians with many years of reference research behind them.

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Librarians rule, full stop.

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I bookmarked the Snopes article. Still trying to dig through it.

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I am horrified by everything I have read and heard about Project 2025, but what may scare me most is realizing that we will be silenced, using the insurrection act. If people attempt to protest (too little, too late, so wake up!), authorities will have permission to actually kill them.

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I had the same thoughts. I’ve always thought that Trump will be just dictator Francisco Franco, killing all his political opponents and anyone who disagreed with him. This new video by the Lincoln Project shows just that. https://x.com/ProjectLincoln/status/1810342579659006356

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Nahh, Trump isn’t that mean. He only asked why can’t you just shoot them? Shoot them in the legs? (Sarcasm)

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Wait! Wait! You are forgetting that on January 6, 2021 he said, “Perhaps the insurrectionist should hang Pence.”

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Martha, so true. No more just shooting them in the legs! What a dispicable person T***p is!

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This happened to me yesterday! Having lunch with two friends and one that is very up on politics and very liberal hadn’t heard of Project 2025. I said go home and google it. 2 hours late I got a message from her: SCARY!

I dumbly assumed my friends would know about it (I do live in Washington state!), good reminder that not everyone is engaged. 💙✌🏼

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It’s easy to forget that most people are not political junkies, as most of us who read these substacks are, but it’s true….

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The Media is responsible for the lack of EXPLAINING 2025! The democrats Act like they have given up! For heavens sakes BLAST IT OUT 24 HOURS A DAY! Postcards get tossed Many are tossed before delivery.

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Vote for President Biden if you care about the democracy. Trump has already said enough to scare the hell out of most sane people.

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Sane people yes, magots not so much....

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My biggest concern is the dismantling of the Department of Education and attempts to claw back Biden’s student loan forgiveness. I’ve tried several times to engage in Civil Discourse with a friend. She shuts me down every time. I’ve tried, Joyce. Some people are just undereducated and dim.

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Excellent point. When Trump loses, the ultra-right crowd isn’t going to abandon Project 2025. They’ll continue honing it while plotting for the 2028 presidential election - and the meantime, they’ll also double down on state & local elections to further disseminate the Project. This is going to be a long fight.

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Trump has now published Agenda 47. A little bit less detailed / evil than Project 2025 but along the same line.

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And it includes flying cars! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_car

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Talk about a fever dream! The convicted felon does not have the intellect nor the attention span to have a real agenda other than create as much chaos and turmoil to the most number of people.

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He’s never presented detail just a lot of vague and general statements. No plan at all, at least not from him. Did I hear something about getting rid of the constitution as we know it?

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Maybe start by listening and asking her what she values and how she understands it will be handled by Trump’s administration IF he wins. Then show or share those parts that speak other interests.

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And some intelligent, kind people have been brain washed by their evangelical church. Add to that a stubborn streak and voila, you have the people who are beyond reach. I've been through that too, Kim. The more I talk about it, the louder the voice on the other end of the phone.

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I have the problem of getting too riled on my side of the conversation, so am practicing deep breathing and other listening techniques. A reversion to culture war issues to distract from the totalatarian state project 2025 plans that is already setting up under our noses is often a common argument,so having a few alternate subjects to jump to when discussion begins to heat up is a good practice. How about those Red Sox?

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I'm impressed at your efforts. When someone thinks that evil con man was sent by God, I'm not sure any discussion about Project 2025 would reach them. That's why we talk about everything else, including baseball!

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This is a nightmare…we can’t let this monstrous screed become reality.

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It’s one thing to want lower taxes or less government regulation, it’s something else entirely to want to disassemble our world class working economy. Project 2025 is like a dagger in the heart of our nation that while imperfect, is light years better than the economy that FDR inherited from Hoover, which is what Project 2025 wants to go back too. This fevered dream needs to be cured at the ballot box in no uncertain terms, and anyone that subscribes to it needs to be on the ash heap of history as well. 🙏

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founding

Better chose a candidate with the energy and forcefulness to combat Trump

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As Trump emits a smokescreen to try to distance himself from project 2025, I think we all have to be prepared to articulate how he is an active representative of the plan

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And we must note, and encourage the same to others, that even if Project 2025 is backed away from, by any persons who were supporters, it is still hanging over our heads. If Trump were to win, it would be back like a plague.

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I think he's the wedge that the Project 2025 planners need to implement their plan. I actually (mostly) believe Trump when he says he knows nothing about it: he knows almost nothing about almost everything. Yes, quite a few of the 2025 planners were in his administration, but he only appointed whom he was told to appoint by the Federalist Society, the Heritage Foundation, or the Man from A.L.E.C.

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That's impossible. Close to 70% of the authors of P2025 served in some capacity in his administration.

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You're assuming that because they served in the Trump administration, Trump knows anything about them. Indications over the years point in the opposite direction. Most of his appointments came vetted by the Federalist Society (e.g., the SCOTUS justices), Mitch McConnell (his wife was the secretary of labor, remember?), and other GOP insiders. Stephen Miller had been comm secretary to Senator Jeff Sessions, who became AG. The ones Trump chose himself were his family members, who became powerful members of his inner circle despite their lack of qualifications (and, in the case of Jared, eligibility for a security clearance).

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I have to agree with you, from the standpoint that he would not read anything like that, let alone understand it. I guess it's his campaign people who came up with Agenda 47.

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It appears that some people think tfg has nothing to do with this 'project 2025', just because he said so (or rather someone else composed a written denial in trump's name). But then we all know that he always lies, and we have to tell people who still deny that he has anything to do with it, and those who don't want to read through 950+ pages, that trump is mentioned 192 times! Ah, and he knows nothing about it, and has nothing to do with it?!?! Give me a break.

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See my comment above. The drafters of Project 2025 know that "Trump" is the magic word. None of them have any name-recognition whatsoever. Trump has the big fan club, so of course they're going to invoke his name as often as they can. Very little of "the Trump administration" was actually orchestrated by Trump. Same goes for Project 2025. And IMO the Project 2025 planners would be total idiots to take Trump into their confidence. If they do, it'll blow up in their faces sooner or later.

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I am In California but am still bring it up so friends that now people out of state can inform them if the need arises. I have the owner of the nursery where I work who is in his early60 who had never heard of 2025 project and as he says he likes to think of himself as well informed. Just told him to look it up. The next week he thanked me and was going to share with others. In my 76 years I have never been this worried for our nation.

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I would encourage everyone to vet memes against the actual document, I have sloppily shared some that later turned out to be only partially correct, which would trash our credibility.

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I’ve been looking for a reliable, well-documented summary of Project 2025 that I can keep in my phone & tablet. When I talk to people who don’t about it, I flounder around and mention the most egregious parts of the Project. It would be great to have a point-by-point summary in my mobile devices. I’d then be able to show them the scope of Project 2025 and also immediately send that summary to the person I’m talking to.

BTW, I already have a “Stop Project 2025” magnetic bumper sticker on my car and stickers with the same message on the backs of my Kindle & iPad Mini. I often read when I’m out & about, and those bright stickers are really good conversation starters.

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You might take a look at "The People's Guide to Project 2025" from the watchdog group, Democracy Forward. It may serve your purpose.

https://democracyforward.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/2024-05_Peoples-Guide-Pro-2025.pdf

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This is a super document and very readable. Thank you for posting.

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Thank you for sharing! I saved it into my Apple Books on my iPhone so I can access it quickly in conversation. The most successful strategies I’ve read about suggest using examples from the section of the screed that hit closest to home of the person you’re speaking with. This makes it quick and easy to do. PLUS you can text it on the fly to them.

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Another Project 2025 resource is this QR code that leads to in introduction by the Biden Campaign:

https://www.threads.net/@tlduryea/post/C9KwUG7O2Vg/?xmt=AQGzKiKkjzNPby6AvDnb5X3R2GvkFAaVg9xnqNouq98KGg

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Always there Ellie Kona 🎯, thank you.

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Laurie, just found this - this might be helpful to you. I have printed a copy or two to have with me to give to friends if opportunity presents itself!

https://www.threads.net/@ericbadofsky/post/C9QRwU2yz48/?xmt=AQGzeXqvTKcQw_v3FodaLmVsQ7n3AtizutHM18W9u8xeKA

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This was shared by Ellie Kona above!

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Where did you Get your car magnets/stickers?

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Slopes has a detailed summary.

https://www.snopes.com/news/2024/07/03/project-2025-trump-us-government/

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I fixed "slopes" to "snopes" something like 4 times, but AI knows best!

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