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Sep 18, 2023·edited Sep 18, 2023Liked by Joyce Vance

Thank you for the wise words from Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson: “If we’re going to continue to move forward as a nation we cannot allow concerns about discomfort to displace knowledge, truth or history.”

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Sep 18, 2023·edited Sep 18, 2023

Why do so many grown, educated people get all giddy around Trump and become so subservient? I keep feeling he must put out personal threats, beyond running a primary candidate against them. It's like the bully on the playground with his band of miscreants, kicking dust in everyone's face, and his gang are delighted just to be seen with him.

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I can not fathom it. Especially when as Rick Wilson writes, everything trump touches dies. Why do these people think they will be any different than the vast numbers who have preceded them? Insanity reigns.

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Perhaps insanity lies supreme. No pun intended.

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You are on fire with your comments tonight. They rock!

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Aww thanks. I called them like I see them🙋‍♀️

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Fear

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If you have ever been close to a wealthy very sick narcissist(I married one), you can start to understand. One, they never stop trying to exact revenge for real or imagined slights. My ex got my daughter to uninvite me from her wedding. She lives nearly rent free in a $2M house on acreage 20 minutes from me.

And they use their money to influence others. Including local law enforcement.

For my own sanity, I’ve taken to calling my once lovely daughter Ivanka. She isn’t my sweet Melissa any more.

And he’s not a sociopath like drumpf. They really will stop at nothing.

Oh, and if he likes you he is generous and funny. His wealth makes him well connected.

He is the only son of a family whose wealth came from slavery. His parents actually are quite nice people, although his mom was able to read a bill of sale that fell,out of an old ledger they’d just gotten when the state of Arkansas wanted the old family mansion for an historic site. It read

SOLD. One eleven year old negro Alexander, strong of limb and good breeding stock. To —- for $750.

I leaped from the table and vomited my dinner. She was unperturbed.

Thought I’d share. These people are sick.

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So sorry for how he has influenced your daughter. That happened with a friend of mine - my ex's 2nd wife! After hearing about her go-round with him - I figured I got off easy AND got out from under his family - which was a blessing! I get it.

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Power and greed. Same in the Corp world. No different.

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I know, but you'd think they could find a better hero. He's very smarmy.

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People in Congress fear not only a well-funded primary challenger in their next election, but they fear for their lives and for the lives of their spouses and children. This is according to Mitt Romney who is speaking out now that he’s not running for reelection next year. He reportedly said that there would have been more Senate Republicans who would’ve voted to convict Trump in the second impeachment trial in 2021 were it not for these fears. He would’ve been convicted of the charges related to the January 6, 2021 insurrection, and he’d never be able to run for any elected office again. That would’ve been such a relief.

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They only care about themselves and not the people they represent.

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The same as domestic abuse (abuse is what this is) unless someone - anyone - speaks up & stands up for the right thing - this will continue. So they let this creep keep this power over them rather than STOPPING it! Forgive me here, but they are chickenshits!!! Course but true.

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I don't think he's brave enough to be a "gangsta". Criminal Defendant Trump not as a "Godfather", but a peculiarly incompetent capo who might be called "Yamface".

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I would believe him guilty of any crime that does not require courage.

Frankly, he admits to every crime he is charged with (and others not yet charged). Why is he still walking free?

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Excellent question! I suspect it is because he has managed to delay, distract and litigate many opponents into into simply giving up because most people who hire lawyers, pay them appropriately. Trump is famous for stiffing those who have done work for him. Which is why he's down to third rate (if that) lawyers.

The other thing with Trump is that when you made a "deal" with him, it needs to be in writing and signed by him or to have an unshakeably honest witness on your side when the deal is sealed...otherwise you may find you agreed to spend more and get a lot less than what you originally thought. He is well known for his shady ways of ducking out of an agreement.

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Low end gangsta nevertheless (loyalty only to himself and his flailing crowd).

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I think it's more like "Donny Babbles"

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Ooo...that's a good one! I like it!

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... a gangsta of the third kind (outer limits)

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I think the forces are quite strong, including the insinuation of violence and harm to family members. All T and company have to do is rally the troops on social media and plenty of free-ranging goons will rush to their call. Otherwise, the "targets" of T's wrath usually have a few skeletons in their closets to be threatened with exposure. Allegedly, that was the tool Putin used to make Trump be so subservient.

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Because they think he's filthy rich, and because they're afraid of him.

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I think his cult gets off on the orange sadist's antics -- fun! fun! fun! Re the educated -- and supposedly intelligent -- who follow his every command, I think you are right: many do so out of fears, many different kinds of fears.

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Trump also says in the interview he’s not worried about going to jail. Hes built differently. ?? He’s leading the coordinated attack on the courts, legal and voting systems and he’s making significant progress. He’s got countless filings or appeals in every case against him and these will eat up huge blocks of time. Of course he’s got the Cannon corruption. Not one complaint about her makes it clear what’s going on there. An associated Fed judge has even called her out. Then there is the filth in Alabama. Ignoring the SC and rumors Leo is involved with Brett to overturn the SC decision and the remaining Voters Rights Act. This all incredibly disturbing bordering on frightening.

I’ve read for the first time some comments by MAGA on Twitter and it’s truly alarming how far gone these people are. Just gone. The hate and violence is what I would expect in other i countries under military coup. I had no idea how violent people from Texas, TN, Alabama and a few others really are.

I’m very, very concerned the legal system doesn’t have what’s needed to handle this.

This is incredibly unsettling (to be very polite).

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Yes, Leonard Leo and his dark money buddies are all instructing Kavanaugh. They have been for years. After all, who do you think paid Kav’s debts off? Ginni is deeply involved, as well, and my understanding is that Jack Smith is investigating Leo and The Thomases. More than likely, he’s looking at Alito also. Corruption is the game plan and please note, they are all Catholic. Opus Dei worshipers...

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Opus Dei has taken over American Catholicism.

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To its peril, I hope. The Catholic faith is fine for good believers but the assumption of authority, secretiveness, and male self-righteousness by Opus Dei is terrible. A nun friend of mine called O.D. a cult, and it fits.

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It is. The same wing of the Church that ran the RatLine, that smuggled war criminals out of Europe after WWII. They want the Church to go back to before Vatican ll.

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Christianity is rotten to the core, always has been, always will be.

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The "religion". Not Jesus's teachings.

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If you believe in this, I have a small bridge I can sell you between Manhattan and Brooklyn.

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Marlene, I tend to agree 100%, but I haven't seen any expose' of Opus Dei. Have you? Any resources I can read?

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We're justified to be concerned about the legal system. I think Defendant Trump's comment of "not being worried about going to jail" is based on his belief (and/or perhaps knowledge) that any judgment(s) in these cases will end up before SCOTUS and he's been reassured they will rule in his favor. Because... that's the plan.

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SCOTUS must be shamed with vigor.

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I am thinking that the supremely rich Supreme Court Puppeteers have realized that tRump is now a waste (waist?) of money, and they are no longer ordering their Black Robes to save him. Plus, the Republican justices aren't stupid, just really greedy f@%#s.

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From your keyboard to God's ear, but I'm not at all hopeful. I don't think SCOTUS would interfere with Georgia because it's state vs. federal, but for the federal indictments, I believe there are behind-the-scenes strategic discussions (led by the Federalist Society and Leo) where it could rule in his favor. Look how it's been alleged Kavanaugh was working with Leo behind-the-scenes for Paxton and Paxton was cleared. Trust me, I'm not a conspiracy theorist but also think Cannon may be getting some behind-the-scenes advice from Thomas who is the assigned Justice for the 11th Circuit (Alabama, Florida, Georgia). And let's see, SCOTUS blocked an AL lower court ruling which found maps drawn had likely violated federal voting laws and allowed AL to use the map the legislature had drawn for 2022's election. SCOTUS reviewed it again (AFTER the election) and ordered that maps be redrawn. AL redrew the maps with new districts which a lower court again rejected (only created one black district) and, as of last Monday, AL again took it to SCOTUS to overturn the lower court's rejection of their now redrawn 2023 maps which still violate voting laws. I suspect SCOTUS may temporarily block the lower court's ruling that is UNTIL AFTER the 2024 election. And that's... why I am not as hopeful as you are, MaryPat that SCOTUS has turned its back on Defendant trump. I pray that I am wrong.

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This has been building since the Civil War. The South has never recovered.

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Perhaps he should be a bit more worried about going to prison: statistics show that some 35% of incarcerated folks have antisocial personality disorder (versus 3% of the general population having APD). I believe this is the narcissistic disorder Trump has. it would behoove him to get a good criminal defense attorney. One who can tell him to stop going on television talk shows. Soon comes Megan what’s her name with an interview. That will be more fodder for Jack Smith and Fani Willis.

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Of course he’s worried but pushes forward anyway. It’s all he’s got since everyone despises him.

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I'm grateful for Joyce's fact-based messages, and this community of fellow travelers who follow her. I know that the rule of law will prevail in our democracy. I do not think the majority of Americans will have recognized the true threat to our democracy until the far right MAGA in congress are in jail (the 'Freedom' Caucus and Ted Cruz and company). Then Freedom Caucus and other congresspersons will turn on Trump and try to work-a-deal with DOJ. I'm not a 'fortune teller' or futurist - just a policy geek with a loooong career teaching policy and democracy in education, PhD in policy, legislative work, and League of Women Voters state board member for more than 20 years in a western state. So I follow this stuff passionately - and noticed an uptick in voter registration from baby boomer aged never before registered folks when Trump ran in 2016. They were likely the MAGA/ultra-right group - and some may have been part of the January 6 event - but a lot of them supported Trump and his sick message - and had not been regular voters. I believe they were first time registrants - and did so just to get him elected. My sense is they hadn't given a care about voting until his xenophobic message registered with them. So as naive as I should not be (:)) , I am hoping beyond hope that they and other Republicans are sick of the shenanigans of the Trumpers in congress - and will simply not turn out to vote in 2024. I also believe there are those MAGA who will not vote because if they can't vote for Trump, they won't vote for anyone (assuming he is 'somewhere else' by November 2024. Registrations bumped up in 2015, and the number stayed the same in 2020 - but my sense is that not all of these folks were ever vested in voting IMHO. They (and prior registered conservative Republicans) were enchanted with Trump's xenophobic message. I'm not saying here that 'all' Republicans were enchanted with Trump - but they were and are enchanted with the Republican party. So the voter registration spike/uptick in 2016 was similar to that during Obama's first run - blue folks at universities who had not registered in decades jumped to vote. I am just expressing my opinion for a 'hopeful' outcome. We have a rocky road ahead, but we do have Taylor Swift out there spreading her message and that's hopeful for Dems gaining new registrations:)) All I am certain of is the rule of law - and hoping something can be done about SCOTUS. And I'm feeling confident that at least 'some' Freedom Caucus folks are being looked at by DOJ.

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Megan has done her “work for the prosecution.” ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️

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Hi Judith, I’m sorry, I’m not sure who you mean by ‘Megan’

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Sorry, you referred to “Megan” and I mistakenly thought you were referring to completed interview by KRISTEN WELKER on NBC in which bits incriminating Trump are evident.

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Apparently those bits were rare and not cited by many who watched the interview. I’m going to stomach a full rewatch on YouTube again before I comment on any “bits that were incriminating” again. It is TRUE that giving airtime at all to this monster serves ratings and 💰💰💰 foremost and I may have erred on the side of hope. Forgive please. Also see today’s post by Robert Reich who was appalled I think would be accurate and has ideas for the GOP going forward that are interesting. Continuing parsing the truth.....thank you.

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Thank you so much Judith. I will check out the Kristen Welker interview and also today's Robert Reich post. I will re-read my first post - I may have mis-typed 'Megan' intending something else. I just saw a news blip that Trump will skip the second debate, and instead do some kind of interview. Indeed, we need to ignore him and not feed his narcissist monster ego.

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Oh yes. I did refer to Megan Kelly. She is interviewing Trump - I read about it somewhere. I'm wondering now if that is the interview he is having the night of the second debate? The blurb I read said there had been a long gap when she had not spoken with him because they had a major tiff during one of the first debates. I'll be sure NOT to watch it.

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Correction: Kristen WELKER interviewed Trump on “Meet the Press” (NBC) and while bits of self incrimination are there, they would be noted only by those of us looking for same; Trump is very predictable in maintaining his 35,000 lies over ? period measured by fact checkers WHICH WERE NOT DONE IN REAL TIME, only in recap after interview.

Unfortunately NBC has given Trump air time to continue to amplify falsehoods. In the same week GAG orders are being considered. Warnings have been given against violent rhetoric on social media; the FACT I note is that while under indictment awaiting trial, Trump is contaminating the jury pool with threats of violence and yet he still has his electronic devices which must be pulled for justice to be served. Tragic situation; a very sick man.

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He's a narcissistic sociopath, he's incapable of empathy or shutting his pie hole. He's walking around every day telling anyone who will listen that he's guilty.

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Fulton County jail death number is already at 15 for 2023. Looks like a safe place for those 19 to me. Heard is smells like a mixture of baloney and perspiration. I'll bet the meals are delicious too.

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Good evening Joyce. I heard in a previous post that a Bigly organization, 45 backed, is training people right now within states to de-legitimize votes in upcoming elections. Can you say anything about this? After 45’s interview on Meet the Press today, it’s clear he has finagled his way through all of it with nothing to show for except bravado to his base and all his underhanded contingency plans should he lose the election in 2024 and we know he will. Disheartening at best, I appreciate your guidance on all fronts blue. Not sure you realize how very important you are to all of us. Thank you once again for being here with light and sounding the bell of freedom once more

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The debacle in Texas shows how trump is pulling the strings and Putin is pulling trump’s strings.

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The father he never really had.

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Clark is a hapless pinata and I’m enjoying every loss he suffers. Meese is a meese-anthrope - always was and always will be, regardless of his evident dementia. Paxton’s rigged acquittal should be an invitation to attack the entire state party as a whole, not just its candidates, in the next election. Joyce, your friend Steve Schmidt skewered NBC hard (yes I know you are contracted with MSNBC) for learning nothing about handling tRump and disserving the public interest. Welker should go to Mehdi Hasan’s School of Actual Journalism.

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Mehdi is no bullshit. He would have chewed him up and spit him out.

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Nowheresville for Clark.

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I'm so old I remember when the future of democracy wasn't on the line every single national and local election. Good times, good times.

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just as a point of history in refuting Ed Meese brief to the court.

1, Orval Faubus was still governor of Arkansas during the Kennedy admin. However his confrontation over desegregating Central High in Little Rock was in 1957 and with Eisenhower who in no uncertain terms told Faubus he would be enforcing federal law. Four years the issue was moot and and Arkansas was in the process of desegregating.

2. George Wallace wasn't elected governor until 1967 and that would have meant Kennedy was four years gone. Four years before, four years after, I can't see too much likelihood either governor would have tried to bring charges against the Kennedys.

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Way to go Ken, thanks for reminding us of the dates.

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Wallace was governor when I lived in Montgomery, AL for one school year in 1964-1965.

He was governor from 1963-1967. His wife became governor in 1967, but he was still the one making decisions until she died while in office in 1968 and the Lt Governor took over.

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Thank you, Joyce for the continuing shenanigans of the Party of Trump (POT). I hope whatever the outcome, that Jeff Clarke is dismissed from any Governmental with prejudice. We don't need self-serving autocrats in federal employment at any level. The governmental employees with whom I worked from 1989 until 2021 were exceptionally dedicated and honest with only 2 exceptions, and one of those, a high ranking administrator was summarily fired. People like Clarke are a stain on otherwise dedicated citizens.

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“Trump continued, “You know who I listen to? Myself. I saw what happened.” The case gets stronger every time Trump opens his mouth.”

Confession is good for the soul but first you must have one.

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He can’t trust anyone for all his dirty deeds. He’s a lost incidental.

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Justice Jackson is special. We need more like her to take places in our government and courts. I appreciate her immensely.

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Failing in his temporary DOJ appointment as head of the Civil Division at the ragged end of tRump's term of office, Mr Clark should get himself an agent, a photographic portfolio, and sign up with a modeling agency to be featured in Calvin Klein or Munsinger men's underwear adverts...he already has a promising start posing outside his house following an FBI visit, and had looked very fetching indeed. A new career is beckoning, so carpe diem, my good man.

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It is well past the time when we need to stop thinking in terms of political parties and leaders. We need to think in terms of what is best for our Country and the Constitution and laws that guide us.

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🗳️🗽

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Thank you so much for this clear update on the January 6 trial and Texas AG Impeachment events. Indeed, while many of us wish there could be a way to quiet Trump, as you point out, there is a bright side to his constant need to perform: “ the case gets stronger every time he opens his mouth.”

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trump loves a microphone. He'd probably rather have a megaphone. I wonder why trump never shows up for football games at his alma mater, University of Pennsylvania to cheer them on? Is it because he really never attended classes there; did daddy buy his diploma, because wasn't it a Wharton school professor who once said that trump was the dumbest man he'd ever met or something to that effect? And yet, he was the best candidate the Republican party could put forth in 2016, and it's continued its downward plunge ever since taking the country with it. I'm happy that trump continues to provide more damning evidence of wrongdoing every time he appears on tv. Now, if any of the indictments could please derail the guy.....as for Clark, what a buffoon. Carry on and have a great week, Democrats! carry on.

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🎉🎉🎉🎉🗳️🗽🇺🇸

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You're too kind! Tks.

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The statement that, to prove Trump’s guilt, the special counsel will need to show Trump’s knowledge that he lost the election is incorrect. Even if Trump believed he won (which he surely didn’t), that wouldn’t justify the many more specific fraudulent claims he made, and proof of any conspiracy to defraud the United States with any of the alleged co-conspirators will be sufficient.

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45 is always testing how far he can go. His rebellious streak is lost on so many souls who can’t see the forest for the trees.

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