I think there is a big difference between Comey and Hur, and their respective reports. Comey simply was foolish in his attempt at what he perceived to be fairness. Hur was intentionally mean, vindictive, and spiteful; his remarks were aimed specifically at denigrating the president.
I am hoping that one or more diligent reporters will look into his bank accounts (or free trips on billionaires’ yachts). His behavior was right out of the Republican playbook.
I believe Comey knew exactly what he was doing. He'd have revealed the investigation into Trump's ties with Russia/Putin if he'd wanted to be fair. It was a hatchet job on Hillary.
Correct, COMEY put himself square on a stark pedestal of attention 10 days before a national election followed by a pathetic (effort oops ...) 72 hours before election attempt to correct course.Permanent & well deserved shame.
HUR's job is to report to DOJ meaning to report to MERRICK who could have & should have controlled the release of public information. We need a new head of DOJ after Biden's win this November. No garlands for a poor discharge of DOJ duties.
Is this the fall back comment of all misogynists? Comey went after the most vetted candidate to ever run knowing full well there was a major investigation on going against the Republican candidate and that just happened to be his party of choice. He knew full well what the was doing. Full well.
It would explain a lot. I could never understand why Comey did what he did and when he did. It also confirms my feeling that Putin was behind 2016. Everything just fit together too nicely.
I hate to risk sounding like Turnip with his “they’re all biased against poor little me when I’m always perfect,” so I won’t say Hur is biased, but the unnecessary meanness that he included in his report says to me that he wants, and needs, and maybe has been tasked with pleasing his cult master.
Sure, this is a bell that can't be un-rung, even though it was undoubtedly politically motivated. Voters need to be reminded that Trump mistook E. Jean for Marla Maples.
Not really! His selection was to shut up Trump and the GOP ! I dont think he expected the petty nastyness of any of those who work in any way with Donald!
I believe that any move to head off up-front attacks by Republicans, by getting them involved early, invariably backfires. I think the ultimate backfire was waiting as long as DOJ did prosecuting Trump, just as I understand it to ward off any appearance of partisanship. Look where that got us. You just cannot be nice to these fu_kers. They will stab you in the back every time.
We all KNOW the Repubs & their faux news will not let this fade away - they've been throwing this particular "tar" at Biden for a long time. Seems this bunch never really listens or comprehends what their tarnished idol says or does - just worships him. Sad - right?
Biden has his wits about him. He made a joke of Steve Doocy’s question, “How bad is your memory?” (So bad that I let you speak.) Speaking for myself and probably others, any wit I possess would disappear with my anger at being treated the way Biden is treated.
Btw, The word Mexico slipped out when he meant Egypt. It was clear he was discussing the Middle East, with Sisi of Egypt, the Saudis and the Qataris. He did not repeat “Mexico.” Unlike Trump who repeatedly said Nikki Haley when he meant Nancy Pelosi.
Has Trump ever made a joke, or smiled a real smile?
I wonder who Hur works for? If I did something like that it would get me fired. If anyone wonders if the FBI and law enforcement in general are part of the" liberal deep state", here's the evidence they're maggots too.
Hur has no qualifications to diagnose or offer medical opinions. Pres Biden heroically overcame a speech disfluency as a child. He has the small occasional pauses in his speech that might be expected in someone who stuttered as a child.
Shame on anyone who dares to ridicule.
Hur had the awesome spotlight of history upon him and he blew it.
I would like to point out that IMO Biden is indeed showing signs of some dementia, or at least significant memory loss. Why do I say this? First, I am getting pretty old myself, and I sometimes experience scary moments where I draw blanks trying to recall things. Like "crap - where am I driving right now?". Or, "why did I walk into this room? I know it was for something!" Funny perhaps, but I know it's going to get worse and it scares me. It happens to most of us eventually. I see it in Biden more and more. Also, I lived with an aged mother in law for five years and watched her dementia progress from mild to severe, until her passing. Now that said - he was and still is the man for the job. But I fear the hoped for second term. Four years is plenty of time to go from mild to more than mild. Remember how Reagan declined in his second term? I wish Biden and the DNC had decided to limit him to one term and endorse a successor. We have an embarrassment of riches of potential successors. But it didn't happen. What to do. Things are going pretty well right now - if Biden has some major gaffes in the coming months due to an aging brain, it is going to hurt us come November. Republicans will pounce like a lion.
And preventing the orange dumpster fire from getting back into office must be done at all costs. What if anything to do?
I do agree regarding the moments of memory loss - and it is scary. He and a lot of us are at the age where that happens. Of course - when you think of what tfg is already like (whataboutism?) the thought of HIM back in charge is terrifying. But then look at who is second in line to the presidency RIGHT NOW!
I also believe this DOJ "special" counsel only had to investigate whether or not Biden deliberately kept documents he wasnt entitled to. Exactly why he felt he needed to comment on the impression that Biden would have made on a jury when he already stated there would be no charges? Sort of obvious what his intention really was!
And yeah - some investigation into the investigator is a good idea.
I think, like with Hillary, the media has done an excellent job of vilifying Kamila Harris. HRC was THE most qualified person to ever have run for POTUS but she had two strikes against her. 1. She is a woman and 2. The rethugs knew she was a comer in the early 1990s and used every second to make her out to be a crook. Of course it didn’t help with her use of a private email server, not a good decision. The right wing media and the rethugs are doing the same with Kamila. She is a woman (how scary is that!!) and she is a heartbeat away from the Oval. In reality she is an intelligent, capable woman who would work hard to do the best for our nation. The office of VP is a thankless job and very few VPs have distinguished themselves, except the ones who had to step up and lead. I hope she doesn’t have to but I know she will give it her all if she has to.
That "private email" was suggested to her by Colin Powell. Funny how everyone one forgets that. Just like they forget her spouse's server was vetted by the Secret Service. You don't think hers wasn't monitored too? Let's stop with that nonsense. Ah, but they did find out all about Chelsea's upcoming wedding.
Wow Dianne - we are exactly on the same page. I recognized literally decades ago how the right went after Hillary. They suspected she was going places, and saw her as an existential threat to their world view. God almighty what a different country we would be had she eaked out a win against Trump. Personally, I do not think a whole lot of Harris. I mean - she is a good progressive for sure, in the same league with HRC, Biden, Obama. But she is not real popular, and unfortunately there is only one HRC. It certainly appears that our horse is going to be Biden/Harris again. We can only hope nothing catastrophic happens between now an November. Republicans will make every effort to manufacture something if it doesn't happen on its own. Or to amplify beyond recognition any small gaffe.
@james wheaton I have experienced some of the symptoms that you describe from as young as age 12. Yet I finished a doctorate at age 50. So memory lapses are not necessarily age related.
DW- Agree! Deep digging into where this evil is coming from by an aggressive journalist is in order. He/she must be courageous too. This feels very creepy.
WRONG! If Comey were truly “fair”, he would have brought up the fact that the Russians were interfering in OUR election. He did NOT mention this and it would have been a MORE SIGNIFICANT investigation. But Trump had STOPPED the investigation. Comey should have brought that up.
Plus, Comey was a Republican.
Robert Hur should be DISBARRED for these egregious statements. He couldn’t get President Biden criminally, so he attacked him POLITICALLY.
Ironic the court would deem to protect trumps rights to get votes even as he moved to nullify the votes of millions of Americans in 2020.. it is also interesting that colorado cant speak forthe whole nation, when texas was doing the same thing with the SCOTUS on the abortion issue.. how’d that turn out?
This is the point I've been thinking about. If one state can't prompt a decision by the Supreme Court that applies to all of the states, how can we get him off the ballots? He should not be allowed to run for President!!!
Joyce's report on the comments from the bench about 45's ability to appear on the Colorado primary ballot was the best I've read so far. But there's yet something that troubles me that I haven't seen covered. Chief Justice Roberts' remark that the 14th Amendment was created to reduce the power of the states was at odds with everything I've been reading about the purpose of that amendment. Which is basically along the lines of what Joyce quoted form Justice Jackson; " [T]he 14th Amendment...revolved around preventing former confederates from infiltrating state government and legislatures and reclaiming power." In other words, if the amendment curtailed the power of the states, it was only as an outcome of the desire to keep confederates out of power, rather than being the whole point of the amendment. Roberts" statement struck me as being hostile to the amendment itself. And that brought to mind Justice Thomas' boasting after the Dobbs decision was handed down that the rights earlier courts had confirmed over the years under the equal rights clause were in the current court's cross hairs. Apparently, this is the Federalist Society's agenda. So when we talk about originalism, I have the feeling that liberals and conservatives have two different ideas of what that term means. I suspect that liberals hear originalism as referring to the whole constitution, whereas conservatives hear it as referring to only the original part of the constitution, sans amendments. Maybe the Federalists would include the Bill of Rights, in order to preserve some of their favorite political shenanigans, to say nothing of carrying guns. But at a minimum they seem intent on rescinding the rights and constraints afforded by the post Civil War amendments.
The moment I read what Hur had said about Biden, I said, “It’s like Comey and Hillary.” I soon knew I was not alone in my assessment.
But how do we put out the raging fire of lies that continue decimating the landscape of our democracy? The country I love and barely recognize now.
The once revered Supreme Court is less than a shadow of what it once represented and was. Once a trusted institution, I no longer believe they will do the right thing. I still have moments of hope, but like a dying heart, the beats are fading.
Ginni/Clarence enjoy flying in private planes too much to bite the hand that bribes them. Even his pathetic ‘parking my RV at the Walmart’ story was a brazen lie The expensive RV was a gift from one of Leonard Leo’s sidekicks.
Isn’t it IRONICAL that Clarence Thomas would NOT be on the Supreme Court if not for Biden. Thomas was dead in the water after Anita Hill until he came back shaming everyone saying with his “lynching” statement.
Ironic that they'd be high on the "can't let one state decide an election" when three of the scumbags on the Court ( and yes, I have no respect for any of them), represented the moron W and put him in the White House based on one state.
I keep remembering one of the Supremes asking (paraphrased) "So, you think one state should determine who becomes President?" and my immediate thought was, "HAVE YOU HEARD OF THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE?"
I'm disgusted and full of naughty words in my reaction to both of those events today, as mentioned.
And Kavanaugh and Comey Barret were sent down to Florida as law students by the Federalist Society to recount ballots in Bush W v Gore. Between Roger Stone and Leonard Leo, this country was sold to the highest OIL bidder.
I have been told by friends here that it upsets and offends them so I do my best to remember that. I fail to remember on occasion. I don't like upsetting others and I don't like feeling that I failed to honor a request. But you'll have a"like"from me if you do! Lol
Likewise! We Who Will Not Be Scolded WWWNBS, arise! Seriously, though, who ever responded well to scolding? It sets my jaw akilter, or some such word. Meanwhile, being a great manager of people (eyeing David) is pretty fun to watch. I'm learning everywhere I go!
This is Joyce's "Civil" Discourse. Please use respectful language here. There is another platform where you are welcome to post "naughty" words to your heart's content. X would be a better fit for the use of profanity.
Naughty words? Really? I'm sorry - but sometimes polite or civil discourse doesnt cut it. I'm betting there arent too many here that visit that other "platform". I never have & have no intention of doing so.
I apologize if this isnt respectful - but quite honestly - my language has deteriorated a great deal since 2016 - and continuously having that orange face and those idiotic rants daily whether any of us want them or not is just too much.
I agree Mimi, but I'm wondering if the question was trying to help inexperienced Mr Murry come up with better answers than he was giving. Is that possible, usually she is so sharp?
We have to do all that we can to get the vote out and stop this clown. I got an email today from the Secretary of State for the state of California saying my mail-in primary vote was received and counted. I’m working on my neighbors now. It’s the only sure-fire way to make it happen. Get out there.
In previous years the bag men would come around with their capo and if you didn’t pay the protection money they would burn down your store. Now Trump demands his loyalty payment or he’ll burn down your country.
It’s so simple. As a former security professional I can vouch for the safeguards that they have in place to prevent fraud. And if all of those fail they still have paper ballots that are digitally tied to the voter rolls.
Assuming the State Governor and.or Legislature, behaves lawfully. I have read of a few States with a Republican trifecta who have stated that Trump will win their State, if the voters vote otherwise the ballots will be "thrown out" and they will certify Trump as the winner.
Like you, Bill, I expect Joe Biden to win, he is the best person suited for the job at this time in our history. But, I also expect literal fighting with weapons, from the trumpster crowd.
I think there is a big difference between Comey and Hur, and their respective reports. Comey simply was foolish in his attempt at what he perceived to be fairness. Hur was intentionally mean, vindictive, and spiteful; his remarks were aimed specifically at denigrating the president.
I am hoping that one or more diligent reporters will look into his bank accounts (or free trips on billionaires’ yachts). His behavior was right out of the Republican playbook.
I believe Comey knew exactly what he was doing. He'd have revealed the investigation into Trump's ties with Russia/Putin if he'd wanted to be fair. It was a hatchet job on Hillary.
I agree. Comey knew what he was doing and did it fully knowing it was against DOJ policy.
And as no good deed goes unpunished he ultimately lost his job and credibility.
And having done Trump a service, what was his reward?
His reward was not being prosecuted.
A place in his future administration
That’s what I think
Correct, COMEY put himself square on a stark pedestal of attention 10 days before a national election followed by a pathetic (effort oops ...) 72 hours before election attempt to correct course.Permanent & well deserved shame.
HUR's job is to report to DOJ meaning to report to MERRICK who could have & should have controlled the release of public information. We need a new head of DOJ after Biden's win this November. No garlands for a poor discharge of DOJ duties.
“America never got the full picture.” Gee! Where have we seen that before? (Rhetorical question, of course.0
Is this the fall back comment of all misogynists? Comey went after the most vetted candidate to ever run knowing full well there was a major investigation on going against the Republican candidate and that just happened to be his party of choice. He knew full well what the was doing. Full well.
It would explain a lot. I could never understand why Comey did what he did and when he did. It also confirms my feeling that Putin was behind 2016. Everything just fit together too nicely.
Hur was so cruel and so obviously biased.
I hate to risk sounding like Turnip with his “they’re all biased against poor little me when I’m always perfect,” so I won’t say Hur is biased, but the unnecessary meanness that he included in his report says to me that he wants, and needs, and maybe has been tasked with pleasing his cult master.
No worries you will not sound like Trump when you point out that Hur is loyal to his cult leader.
He's planning for good things to happen to his career. Stabbing Biden is almost a requirement in today's GOP.
Sure, this is a bell that can't be un-rung, even though it was undoubtedly politically motivated. Voters need to be reminded that Trump mistook E. Jean for Marla Maples.
Well Trump is desperately in need of sycophantic lawyers, so maybe Hur’s auditioning.
Trump has confused Haley with Pelosi and also Obama with Biden: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna134863
Atrocious Garland selection. Again.
Not really! His selection was to shut up Trump and the GOP ! I dont think he expected the petty nastyness of any of those who work in any way with Donald!
I believe that any move to head off up-front attacks by Republicans, by getting them involved early, invariably backfires. I think the ultimate backfire was waiting as long as DOJ did prosecuting Trump, just as I understand it to ward off any appearance of partisanship. Look where that got us. You just cannot be nice to these fu_kers. They will stab you in the back every time.
It used to be you wanted aggressive evaluation so put at minimum a fair arbiter in place. I don't know how garland rids us of maggots.
The good news is no charges! Now this whole story can fade away while the msm chases its next shiny object.
We all KNOW the Repubs & their faux news will not let this fade away - they've been throwing this particular "tar" at Biden for a long time. Seems this bunch never really listens or comprehends what their tarnished idol says or does - just worships him. Sad - right?
Maggie; I agree with that.
I was just referring to this story in particular, and not the fact that they will keep the “Biden is old” story alive in their stupid narrative.
Biden has his wits about him. He made a joke of Steve Doocy’s question, “How bad is your memory?” (So bad that I let you speak.) Speaking for myself and probably others, any wit I possess would disappear with my anger at being treated the way Biden is treated.
Btw, The word Mexico slipped out when he meant Egypt. It was clear he was discussing the Middle East, with Sisi of Egypt, the Saudis and the Qataris. He did not repeat “Mexico.” Unlike Trump who repeatedly said Nikki Haley when he meant Nancy Pelosi.
Has Trump ever made a joke, or smiled a real smile?
👍👍
Hur is now in the same disgusting category as Aileen Cannon.
Except "Lose" Cannon is with us forever. Hur is just a petty liar and in that rôle, a traitor. Truth is not part of his DNA.
I wonder who Hur works for? If I did something like that it would get me fired. If anyone wonders if the FBI and law enforcement in general are part of the" liberal deep state", here's the evidence they're maggots too.
Hur was biased and stupid — like other ageist persons who have more power than justified by their lack of intelligence.
Hur has no qualifications to diagnose or offer medical opinions. Pres Biden heroically overcame a speech disfluency as a child. He has the small occasional pauses in his speech that might be expected in someone who stuttered as a child.
Shame on anyone who dares to ridicule.
Hur had the awesome spotlight of history upon him and he blew it.
I would like to point out that IMO Biden is indeed showing signs of some dementia, or at least significant memory loss. Why do I say this? First, I am getting pretty old myself, and I sometimes experience scary moments where I draw blanks trying to recall things. Like "crap - where am I driving right now?". Or, "why did I walk into this room? I know it was for something!" Funny perhaps, but I know it's going to get worse and it scares me. It happens to most of us eventually. I see it in Biden more and more. Also, I lived with an aged mother in law for five years and watched her dementia progress from mild to severe, until her passing. Now that said - he was and still is the man for the job. But I fear the hoped for second term. Four years is plenty of time to go from mild to more than mild. Remember how Reagan declined in his second term? I wish Biden and the DNC had decided to limit him to one term and endorse a successor. We have an embarrassment of riches of potential successors. But it didn't happen. What to do. Things are going pretty well right now - if Biden has some major gaffes in the coming months due to an aging brain, it is going to hurt us come November. Republicans will pounce like a lion.
And preventing the orange dumpster fire from getting back into office must be done at all costs. What if anything to do?
I do agree regarding the moments of memory loss - and it is scary. He and a lot of us are at the age where that happens. Of course - when you think of what tfg is already like (whataboutism?) the thought of HIM back in charge is terrifying. But then look at who is second in line to the presidency RIGHT NOW!
I also believe this DOJ "special" counsel only had to investigate whether or not Biden deliberately kept documents he wasnt entitled to. Exactly why he felt he needed to comment on the impression that Biden would have made on a jury when he already stated there would be no charges? Sort of obvious what his intention really was!
And yeah - some investigation into the investigator is a good idea.
I think, like with Hillary, the media has done an excellent job of vilifying Kamila Harris. HRC was THE most qualified person to ever have run for POTUS but she had two strikes against her. 1. She is a woman and 2. The rethugs knew she was a comer in the early 1990s and used every second to make her out to be a crook. Of course it didn’t help with her use of a private email server, not a good decision. The right wing media and the rethugs are doing the same with Kamila. She is a woman (how scary is that!!) and she is a heartbeat away from the Oval. In reality she is an intelligent, capable woman who would work hard to do the best for our nation. The office of VP is a thankless job and very few VPs have distinguished themselves, except the ones who had to step up and lead. I hope she doesn’t have to but I know she will give it her all if she has to.
That "private email" was suggested to her by Colin Powell. Funny how everyone one forgets that. Just like they forget her spouse's server was vetted by the Secret Service. You don't think hers wasn't monitored too? Let's stop with that nonsense. Ah, but they did find out all about Chelsea's upcoming wedding.
I’d forgotten that it was Powell who suggested that server arrangement to HRC! Sigh.
Wow Dianne - we are exactly on the same page. I recognized literally decades ago how the right went after Hillary. They suspected she was going places, and saw her as an existential threat to their world view. God almighty what a different country we would be had she eaked out a win against Trump. Personally, I do not think a whole lot of Harris. I mean - she is a good progressive for sure, in the same league with HRC, Biden, Obama. But she is not real popular, and unfortunately there is only one HRC. It certainly appears that our horse is going to be Biden/Harris again. We can only hope nothing catastrophic happens between now an November. Republicans will make every effort to manufacture something if it doesn't happen on its own. Or to amplify beyond recognition any small gaffe.
@james wheaton I have experienced some of the symptoms that you describe from as young as age 12. Yet I finished a doctorate at age 50. So memory lapses are not necessarily age related.
I don’t know how he can live with himself
DW- Agree! Deep digging into where this evil is coming from by an aggressive journalist is in order. He/she must be courageous too. This feels very creepy.
WRONG! If Comey were truly “fair”, he would have brought up the fact that the Russians were interfering in OUR election. He did NOT mention this and it would have been a MORE SIGNIFICANT investigation. But Trump had STOPPED the investigation. Comey should have brought that up.
Plus, Comey was a Republican.
Robert Hur should be DISBARRED for these egregious statements. He couldn’t get President Biden criminally, so he attacked him POLITICALLY.
Ironic the court would deem to protect trumps rights to get votes even as he moved to nullify the votes of millions of Americans in 2020.. it is also interesting that colorado cant speak forthe whole nation, when texas was doing the same thing with the SCOTUS on the abortion issue.. how’d that turn out?
Our Supreme Court is really not ours. It has morphed into a body part of the far right.
Follow the money....
So many questions, so little time. VOTE BLUE 💙💙🇺🇸🇺🇸
This is the point I've been thinking about. If one state can't prompt a decision by the Supreme Court that applies to all of the states, how can we get him off the ballots? He should not be allowed to run for President!!!
Colorado was only keeping him off their ballot. I hope Justice Brown Jackson is not drinking the koolaid served in the SC dining room.
Frankly, I was a disappointed in the women justices.
Channel Taylor Swift.
Register people to vote.
I agree!
Joyce's report on the comments from the bench about 45's ability to appear on the Colorado primary ballot was the best I've read so far. But there's yet something that troubles me that I haven't seen covered. Chief Justice Roberts' remark that the 14th Amendment was created to reduce the power of the states was at odds with everything I've been reading about the purpose of that amendment. Which is basically along the lines of what Joyce quoted form Justice Jackson; " [T]he 14th Amendment...revolved around preventing former confederates from infiltrating state government and legislatures and reclaiming power." In other words, if the amendment curtailed the power of the states, it was only as an outcome of the desire to keep confederates out of power, rather than being the whole point of the amendment. Roberts" statement struck me as being hostile to the amendment itself. And that brought to mind Justice Thomas' boasting after the Dobbs decision was handed down that the rights earlier courts had confirmed over the years under the equal rights clause were in the current court's cross hairs. Apparently, this is the Federalist Society's agenda. So when we talk about originalism, I have the feeling that liberals and conservatives have two different ideas of what that term means. I suspect that liberals hear originalism as referring to the whole constitution, whereas conservatives hear it as referring to only the original part of the constitution, sans amendments. Maybe the Federalists would include the Bill of Rights, in order to preserve some of their favorite political shenanigans, to say nothing of carrying guns. But at a minimum they seem intent on rescinding the rights and constraints afforded by the post Civil War amendments.
Correction: "under the equal rights clause" should be "under the equal protection clause."
The moment I read what Hur had said about Biden, I said, “It’s like Comey and Hillary.” I soon knew I was not alone in my assessment.
But how do we put out the raging fire of lies that continue decimating the landscape of our democracy? The country I love and barely recognize now.
The once revered Supreme Court is less than a shadow of what it once represented and was. Once a trusted institution, I no longer believe they will do the right thing. I still have moments of hope, but like a dying heart, the beats are fading.
I’m so tired of all the drama.
And Clarence Thomas didn’t recuse himself today.
Thomas will never recuse himself because of his self-righteousness. It would be admitting that we are all right about his bias.
We are all right about his incompetence.
Of course he didn’t. He wouldn’t sell out his puppet masters. I didn’t say “white” puppet masters although I sure did think it.
No surprise there.
Ginni/Clarence enjoy flying in private planes too much to bite the hand that bribes them. Even his pathetic ‘parking my RV at the Walmart’ story was a brazen lie The expensive RV was a gift from one of Leonard Leo’s sidekicks.
His half million dollar T
RV. Getting down with the common folk, right?
Isn’t it IRONICAL that Clarence Thomas would NOT be on the Supreme Court if not for Biden. Thomas was dead in the water after Anita Hill until he came back shaming everyone saying with his “lynching” statement.
Ironic that they'd be high on the "can't let one state decide an election" when three of the scumbags on the Court ( and yes, I have no respect for any of them), represented the moron W and put him in the White House based on one state.
Yes another good example of contradictions..
Aren’t they supposed to know history?
agree
I keep remembering one of the Supremes asking (paraphrased) "So, you think one state should determine who becomes President?" and my immediate thought was, "HAVE YOU HEARD OF THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE?"
I'm disgusted and full of naughty words in my reaction to both of those events today, as mentioned.
Sleep tight, there's work to do.
One could also add, “Have you heard of the state of Florida?” Bush v. Gore
SPW- Hell, yes!!
Apparently, several justices actually were involved in the Bush v Gore case.
And Kavanaugh and Comey Barret were sent down to Florida as law students by the Federalist Society to recount ballots in Bush W v Gore. Between Roger Stone and Leonard Leo, this country was sold to the highest OIL bidder.
I turned it off when one of the "supremes" referred to the failed insurrection as "a dust-up, down the road."
OMG. I missed that . Ugh!
Yeah, dust ups that are planned, I call insurrections
I agree and I’m so angry.
Sometimes naughty words are appropriate. 🤬🤬🤬
I have been told by friends here that it upsets and offends them so I do my best to remember that. I fail to remember on occasion. I don't like upsetting others and I don't like feeling that I failed to honor a request. But you'll have a"like"from me if you do! Lol
Mimi; you are very kind! And the highest form of wisdom is kindness.
Me? Not so much. I hope in 9 months we run that orange rat bastard out of our lives forever. So sick of this.
There you go. I don’t mind being your surrogate for “naughty words! 😳🤣
And now I feel you and I are blood kin. Xo
Mimi; Happy to be your bro!
Likewise! We Who Will Not Be Scolded WWWNBS, arise! Seriously, though, who ever responded well to scolding? It sets my jaw akilter, or some such word. Meanwhile, being a great manager of people (eyeing David) is pretty fun to watch. I'm learning everywhere I go!
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Naughty words? Really? I'm sorry - but sometimes polite or civil discourse doesnt cut it. I'm betting there arent too many here that visit that other "platform". I never have & have no intention of doing so.
I apologize if this isnt respectful - but quite honestly - my language has deteriorated a great deal since 2016 - and continuously having that orange face and those idiotic rants daily whether any of us want them or not is just too much.
Moving on.......
Pamela, I’m sure Joyce Vance is grateful to have you as the arbiter of naughty words.
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I agree Mimi, but I'm wondering if the question was trying to help inexperienced Mr Murry come up with better answers than he was giving. Is that possible, usually she is so sharp?
Is that how it seemed? I didn't get that at all.
We have to do all that we can to get the vote out and stop this clown. I got an email today from the Secretary of State for the state of California saying my mail-in primary vote was received and counted. I’m working on my neighbors now. It’s the only sure-fire way to make it happen. Get out there.
In previous years the bag men would come around with their capo and if you didn’t pay the protection money they would burn down your store. Now Trump demands his loyalty payment or he’ll burn down your country.
Me too, Bill I got my ballot yesterday and mailed it today. One thing California does right.
It’s so simple. As a former security professional I can vouch for the safeguards that they have in place to prevent fraud. And if all of those fail they still have paper ballots that are digitally tied to the voter rolls.
Assuming the State Governor and.or Legislature, behaves lawfully. I have read of a few States with a Republican trifecta who have stated that Trump will win their State, if the voters vote otherwise the ballots will be "thrown out" and they will certify Trump as the winner.
Like you, Bill, I expect Joe Biden to win, he is the best person suited for the job at this time in our history. But, I also expect literal fighting with weapons, from the trumpster crowd.
Yikes! You’re right. These are the times that try men’s (and women’s) souls.
Thanks, Bill, you made me laugh
Yep, mine is filled out and will be placed in the bin today!
I'm still waiting for mine.
I assume you mean encourage your neighbor to vote.