trump is against anything that does not make him look good, or rather, perfect. It makes perfect sense to me that Judge Chutkan is allowing the extra pages for Jack Smith's brief - he is doing a lot of the detail work for her. What's not to like about that? And trump and his lawyers just don't get that the spaghetti they throw at the judge has nothing to do with real legal issues, and that Judge Chutkan isn't going to eat that spaghetti. I am so glad she is sane! We need to see her type of sanity in all of trump's legal cases.
Exactly. His only intention, everywhere, is to create chaos so that the public is to confused to look deeply. Well surprise! Thanks to Joyce and others...we are watching! Justice will prevail.
Barbara B, justice should prevail eventually, but it hasn't yet. If it had, there would be a lot more people in prison, such as the many politicians who supported the Jan 6th attempted coup.
I think she's trying to get a message across to them that they are too dense to get. All the delays are because trump is so desperate to stay out of jail. I'm thinking that even though she is very professional, her patience might some day run out. One can hope.
Oh. . . Todd Blanche and the others get it, all right. They know they're pushing her limit but their main objective is to get all of this pushed past the election. That's their only goal.
Betsy, IMO the reason they are trying to get the case pushed past the election, is so they'll get paid (if you don't keep trump really happy, you don't get paid…)
IMHO, if you're dumb enough to work for Trumpet without getting paid in advance and as you go along, you deserve to not get paid! Hmm, and now I wonder if this has anything to do with the sometimes dubious quality of his legal representation.
From what I understand, from listening Joyce Vance, they are actually seasoned lawyers. I think the biggest problem we've seen with them is that they listen to trump and do his bidding. I think we saw that with the election denial/porn star payment trial. I agree with you about deserving to not get paid if you don't look out for yourself.
Joyce I enjoy understanding these legal ins and outs because of you. And Judge Chutkin must have a sharp mind and deep understanding of law to parse these issues so succincly. I admire both of you.
Again, the usual Trump crap means more work for everyone else. even though these are ridiculous complaints, the judge has to read them through and write a proper response. Like having to write. rebuttal to "the dog ate my homework" over and over and over again, in legalese. This case is already demanding way more work than it should. And she's not only keeping up, she's pushing it forward. I'm optimistic that some significant disclosures are going to be made public pretty soon, definitely before Nov. 5. I just hope people are watching and listening. I'm also hoping that after Trump loses, Jack Smith and Judge Chutkan will forge ahead - relentlessly - and put Trump on trial.
I am wearying of Trump's incessant stupidity but more so the fact that the news AND the courts are weighed down by them. That we are in a never ending cesspool of Trump related crap makes me want to break my China into itsy bitsy pieces. LOL. It's funny though. Seems SCOTUS has shot themselves in the foot with these new demands on immunity. "Ya want more evidence? We got us more evidence!"
As I understand it, the first draft is always chicken scratch which Joyce revises into a logical presentation for our reading “pleasure” or, at least, elucidation.
I love that Judge Chutkan is all business with the clown show. They are the stupidest bunch of lawyers on the planet. Read the room, idiots! She does not want to play. Still, they continue testing her limits. It’s the wear-her-down-strategy that Trump uses with everyone. He wants to break her with his strongman tactics. Too bad for him and the clowns, she’s not going to back down because she knows the law; they make it up as they go.
TFG has run off his “good” attorneys and the fame seekers running the show now are only doing what he tells them to. Think reince priebus whining about inauguration crowd sizes or in Tfg’s case, those two old farts in that great Akroyd-Murphy Christmas classic, “Trading Places.” Wouldn’t you love to see T in the gorilla’s cage when this nightmare finally ends?!
His delay tactics have worked constantly and the bias Supreme Court publicly helped him with immunity. We are all so sick of Trump and his entitlement so I am very happy Chutkan sees right thru him unlike Cannon who I have always believed has an offshore account filled with Trump bribe money! Just my opinion! Let's go, Jack Smith!
I appreciate having the talking points, thank you. Really though, the entire thing could be summarized briefly in this way: "See prior re: delay, delay, delay."
Trump acts like a guilty man. His lawyers are giving the law a good go-around. But if Smith's case can be known ASAP, that would be great.
And yes, the justice system should not have to bow to norms created by the DOJ. Justice has been plenty denied but more, the people have been in this case against Donald Trump.
Reading Heather Cox Richardson's "Democracy Awakening" is a good reminder of how we got here and the work we have ahead. It's not dense, pretty plain spoken but essential.
“The incoherence of defendant's demand” I do believe that this is what we have come to see and expect as this case moves forward. Thank you Joyce, for keeping us up to speed as things develop.
Thank you for this update! I have questions about the criminal charges filed against the two citizens whose words terrorised an entire community in Ohio. Does that case filing affect the one out on bail, in numerous jurisdictions, differently? Isn't 'no committing additional crimes' part of any bail agreement language?
trump is against anything that does not make him look good, or rather, perfect. It makes perfect sense to me that Judge Chutkan is allowing the extra pages for Jack Smith's brief - he is doing a lot of the detail work for her. What's not to like about that? And trump and his lawyers just don't get that the spaghetti they throw at the judge has nothing to do with real legal issues, and that Judge Chutkan isn't going to eat that spaghetti. I am so glad she is sane! We need to see her type of sanity in all of trump's legal cases.
Besides, he’s the one who pushed it into this timeframe. The case might have been over by now.
Exactly. His only intention, everywhere, is to create chaos so that the public is to confused to look deeply. Well surprise! Thanks to Joyce and others...we are watching! Justice will prevail.
Barbara B, justice should prevail eventually, but it hasn't yet. If it had, there would be a lot more people in prison, such as the many politicians who supported the Jan 6th attempted coup.
Good point. Thank you. I agree.
Agree. I think that is or should be crucial.
I am waiting for her to stop them from intentionally wasting the court's time with nonsense repeated filings.
I think she's trying to get a message across to them that they are too dense to get. All the delays are because trump is so desperate to stay out of jail. I'm thinking that even though she is very professional, her patience might some day run out. One can hope.
Oh. . . Todd Blanche and the others get it, all right. They know they're pushing her limit but their main objective is to get all of this pushed past the election. That's their only goal.
Betsy, IMO the reason they are trying to get the case pushed past the election, is so they'll get paid (if you don't keep trump really happy, you don't get paid…)
IMHO, if you're dumb enough to work for Trumpet without getting paid in advance and as you go along, you deserve to not get paid! Hmm, and now I wonder if this has anything to do with the sometimes dubious quality of his legal representation.
From what I understand, from listening Joyce Vance, they are actually seasoned lawyers. I think the biggest problem we've seen with them is that they listen to trump and do his bidding. I think we saw that with the election denial/porn star payment trial. I agree with you about deserving to not get paid if you don't look out for yourself.
And then say she’s politically motivated and biased. It’s exhausting.
That would be great.
And the defense will likewise be granted leave to file a commensurately longer reply brief.
Which will be "full of words and music and signifying nothing" a quote attributed to Gilbert and Sullivan.
Actually, 17 hours later, I realized it was a quote from Tom Lehrer, about Gilbert and Sullivan.
Joyce I enjoy understanding these legal ins and outs because of you. And Judge Chutkin must have a sharp mind and deep understanding of law to parse these issues so succincly. I admire both of you.
Well, it was hard work but they are WOMEN! We're used to that. . . 😁
And they certainly don't require trump's protection!!!!!!!
Again, the usual Trump crap means more work for everyone else. even though these are ridiculous complaints, the judge has to read them through and write a proper response. Like having to write. rebuttal to "the dog ate my homework" over and over and over again, in legalese. This case is already demanding way more work than it should. And she's not only keeping up, she's pushing it forward. I'm optimistic that some significant disclosures are going to be made public pretty soon, definitely before Nov. 5. I just hope people are watching and listening. I'm also hoping that after Trump loses, Jack Smith and Judge Chutkan will forge ahead - relentlessly - and put Trump on trial.
Did you see the new orange MAGA hat he is selling. A matching outfit when he gets to jail.
The man whines incessantly. You would think he would tire of his own noise.
AMEN!
I am wearying of Trump's incessant stupidity but more so the fact that the news AND the courts are weighed down by them. That we are in a never ending cesspool of Trump related crap makes me want to break my China into itsy bitsy pieces. LOL. It's funny though. Seems SCOTUS has shot themselves in the foot with these new demands on immunity. "Ya want more evidence? We got us more evidence!"
Thank you Joyce. Judge Chutkan is a great American. Unlike most of the members of our Supreme Court, she will uphold our laws.
And, with any luck at all, she'll one day be a member of that body.
We'll need a lot more than a little luck for that to happen.
Joyce, you are the best! Thanks for the Helpful summary.
It was really hard work to write this. Sorry you could not spend the time with your chicks!
As I understand it, the first draft is always chicken scratch which Joyce revises into a logical presentation for our reading “pleasure” or, at least, elucidation.
Sure wish Joyce had taught any ofd my law classes. Ditto Barb.
Of course tfg,ever the windbag,talks and talks,over everyone,yet says nothing.
Reminds me of a T-shirt someone I knew once had,"Help! I'm talking and I can't shut up!"
The faster he goes away the happier I'll be.
(P.S.He's no more "immune"than plague rats,and just as disgusting...)
I have a tea towel that says, "I'm sorry I slapped you. But you wouldn't stop talking and I panicked!"
That's a good one.So funny,I love it!😂
I love that Judge Chutkan is all business with the clown show. They are the stupidest bunch of lawyers on the planet. Read the room, idiots! She does not want to play. Still, they continue testing her limits. It’s the wear-her-down-strategy that Trump uses with everyone. He wants to break her with his strongman tactics. Too bad for him and the clowns, she’s not going to back down because she knows the law; they make it up as they go.
TFG has run off his “good” attorneys and the fame seekers running the show now are only doing what he tells them to. Think reince priebus whining about inauguration crowd sizes or in Tfg’s case, those two old farts in that great Akroyd-Murphy Christmas classic, “Trading Places.” Wouldn’t you love to see T in the gorilla’s cage when this nightmare finally ends?!
His delay tactics have worked constantly and the bias Supreme Court publicly helped him with immunity. We are all so sick of Trump and his entitlement so I am very happy Chutkan sees right thru him unlike Cannon who I have always believed has an offshore account filled with Trump bribe money! Just my opinion! Let's go, Jack Smith!
I, Anne, have that bumper sticker centrally positioned on the back of my car, Let's Go Jack Smith!
I love having an experienced legal eagle to ‘splain all this stuff to us laypersons. Joyce is the shizzle! 💖🐓🐔👩⚖️
I appreciate having the talking points, thank you. Really though, the entire thing could be summarized briefly in this way: "See prior re: delay, delay, delay."
Trump acts like a guilty man. His lawyers are giving the law a good go-around. But if Smith's case can be known ASAP, that would be great.
And yes, the justice system should not have to bow to norms created by the DOJ. Justice has been plenty denied but more, the people have been in this case against Donald Trump.
Reading Heather Cox Richardson's "Democracy Awakening" is a good reminder of how we got here and the work we have ahead. It's not dense, pretty plain spoken but essential.
Yes, HCR’s book, “Democracy Awakening” is an excellent read!
And, Potter, On Tyranny and On Freedom by Timothy Snyder.
“The incoherence of defendant's demand” I do believe that this is what we have come to see and expect as this case moves forward. Thank you Joyce, for keeping us up to speed as things develop.
The incoherence of defendant's demand mirrors the incoherence of his normal speech.
Thank you for your great insight and thoughtful, clear writing and understanding. Your communication for democracy and our America is a true gift.
Thank you for this update! I have questions about the criminal charges filed against the two citizens whose words terrorised an entire community in Ohio. Does that case filing affect the one out on bail, in numerous jurisdictions, differently? Isn't 'no committing additional crimes' part of any bail agreement language?
Will there be any new information publicly available before the election.
Do you think we'll really have the redacted version by tomorrow evening? I hope so! I've heard some skepticism in this regard.