On Wednesday afternoon at 1:00p.m. Judge Scott McAfee, the Fulton County, Georgia, state court judge assigned to the RICO prosecution of Donald Trump and his 18 co-defendants, will hear argument on motions to sever by two of them. Defendants Kenneth Chesebro, a lawyer, and Sidney Powell, another lawyer, want their cases tried separately from those of other defendants. And even though they’ve both asked for speedy trials, they don’t want to be tried with each other.
Joyce, you write the best zingers! Here's a keeper: "Ultimately, the best approach if you don’t want to be tried with someone is not to commit crimes with them." Thanks for helping us through the legal jungle.
While I will join in thanking Joyce, it is appropriate to make clear why the gratitude. Joyce, you are providing great insights for people like me who know nothing about the intricacies of such court case. Even where there is clarity there are always more questions than answers as we wait for the next shoe to drop or to learn about how the dynamics might play out with a cast of RICO defendants and a mix of judges with talents and nuanced perspectives.
As I re-read what Joyce has written tonight, and put it together with others' comments, and video, and call backs, it begins to show a size many felt but couldn't define when the orange pustule took office. It was always his intention to be the fascist 'mercan Kim Jong Un figure with hundreds of thousands marching and saluting him, goose stepping their hearts out and cower if he lifted his eyebrow at them. This feeling of dread SO many have had was absolutely right, but legally, you can't convict someone before they do something. The something these raging seditionists and feral thieves nationwide did was in concert. No mistaking that, now that the legal minds are working overtime to reconstruct it. I take it as a national service that all honest and faithful journalists and lawyers, judges and court officials are doing right now. It's humbling to see the narrow margin by which we did not wake up on the losing side of a coup.
Joyce, your opening paragraph had me smiling throughout the whole piece. The image of them all fighting to be “severed” from each other was equally amusing. Of course, this is no laughing matter and your explication of what is going on is always vital to appreciating these legal shenanigans. I am looking forward to the proceedings and think it is GREAT it will be televised for all to see. Thank you!!!
"Cameras in Courts!" - essential to disempower the gaslighters / Flat Earthers / Trump cultists / election deniers and empower persuadable Independents and Republicans to reject Trump forever.
There's more to hear and more to be brought to light of course, however, the best part of the motions for severance is the Kleig light it blasts on all the scrambling rats in all the corners. We are about to witness the gymnastics of panic in a court of law. I have a huge curiosity about the Judge tomorrow, and have my fingers crossed that he's as insightful and knowledgeable as I hope he is.
Thanks always Joyce. Please give your beautiful sweet shepherd an ear scratch for me.
I could collect all of your posts over the past months and collate them into a very good textbook. Thank you so much for sharing the fruits of your years of study and real-life experience. Much respect.
Also: am I correct that, at least in Georgia, to charge and convict under RICO does not require direct communication between two co-defendants? Asking for a friend.
Thank you, Joyce, for preparing and sharing this information with us. Chesebro may claim he has not personally met or communicated with Powell, but they shared the same Trump fostered conspiracy theory that the election was 'stolen' and they both worked with Rudy Giuliani to push forward their individual false propositions. Chesebro may have been a lone wolf with a legal theory without a construct when he first strategized overcoming a Wisconsin deficit of some 20,000 votes. But very soon thereafter, Chesebro's proposition for substituting fake electors for valid electors gained steam in Trump's camp, through Giuliani. And Chesebro's theory was helped along with a Powell fostered perception of rigged voting machines that duped substantial numbers of the American public into believing an election was stolen through purposely rigging voting machines. Chesebro used Powell's nonsense to rationalize his false theory and strategy of replacing valid electors with fake electors in a total of seven states. It's very thin that he would claim he wants separation from Sidney Powell because he hasn't personally met her or had a direct communication with her. They worked on the same project from the same QAnon rabbit hole. Different shifts?
Motions to Sever: When you don't want to go to trial alongside people you committed crimes with.
Joyce, you write the best zingers! Here's a keeper: "Ultimately, the best approach if you don’t want to be tried with someone is not to commit crimes with them." Thanks for helping us through the legal jungle.
While I will join in thanking Joyce, it is appropriate to make clear why the gratitude. Joyce, you are providing great insights for people like me who know nothing about the intricacies of such court case. Even where there is clarity there are always more questions than answers as we wait for the next shoe to drop or to learn about how the dynamics might play out with a cast of RICO defendants and a mix of judges with talents and nuanced perspectives.
Thank you. Yes! “We are in this together.”
As I re-read what Joyce has written tonight, and put it together with others' comments, and video, and call backs, it begins to show a size many felt but couldn't define when the orange pustule took office. It was always his intention to be the fascist 'mercan Kim Jong Un figure with hundreds of thousands marching and saluting him, goose stepping their hearts out and cower if he lifted his eyebrow at them. This feeling of dread SO many have had was absolutely right, but legally, you can't convict someone before they do something. The something these raging seditionists and feral thieves nationwide did was in concert. No mistaking that, now that the legal minds are working overtime to reconstruct it. I take it as a national service that all honest and faithful journalists and lawyers, judges and court officials are doing right now. It's humbling to see the narrow margin by which we did not wake up on the losing side of a coup.
Joyce, your opening paragraph had me smiling throughout the whole piece. The image of them all fighting to be “severed” from each other was equally amusing. Of course, this is no laughing matter and your explication of what is going on is always vital to appreciating these legal shenanigans. I am looking forward to the proceedings and think it is GREAT it will be televised for all to see. Thank you!!!
Criminals do not smell better as a bouquet
"Cameras in Courts!" - essential to disempower the gaslighters / Flat Earthers / Trump cultists / election deniers and empower persuadable Independents and Republicans to reject Trump forever.
There's more to hear and more to be brought to light of course, however, the best part of the motions for severance is the Kleig light it blasts on all the scrambling rats in all the corners. We are about to witness the gymnastics of panic in a court of law. I have a huge curiosity about the Judge tomorrow, and have my fingers crossed that he's as insightful and knowledgeable as I hope he is.
Thanks always Joyce. Please give your beautiful sweet shepherd an ear scratch for me.
It is due process, not the denial thereof, which these defendants fear. They broke the cookie jar and left crumbs all over the House floor.
Thank you Joyce. PS. Your haircut is great!
I could collect all of your posts over the past months and collate them into a very good textbook. Thank you so much for sharing the fruits of your years of study and real-life experience. Much respect.
Also: am I correct that, at least in Georgia, to charge and convict under RICO does not require direct communication between two co-defendants? Asking for a friend.
Thank you thank you thank you Joyce !!! Awesome !!!
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How can we watch the proceedings? Is there a C-SPAN equivalent for this court? Or streaming on YouTube, or ???
I’m joining the chorus of thank you comments this evening.
Thank you for your steady hand, calm voice, insight and expertise.
Thank you Joyce, I'll be here throughout, guided by your expertise. I'm with Laurie. I can't wait for more of your zingers!
Thank you, Joyce, for preparing and sharing this information with us. Chesebro may claim he has not personally met or communicated with Powell, but they shared the same Trump fostered conspiracy theory that the election was 'stolen' and they both worked with Rudy Giuliani to push forward their individual false propositions. Chesebro may have been a lone wolf with a legal theory without a construct when he first strategized overcoming a Wisconsin deficit of some 20,000 votes. But very soon thereafter, Chesebro's proposition for substituting fake electors for valid electors gained steam in Trump's camp, through Giuliani. And Chesebro's theory was helped along with a Powell fostered perception of rigged voting machines that duped substantial numbers of the American public into believing an election was stolen through purposely rigging voting machines. Chesebro used Powell's nonsense to rationalize his false theory and strategy of replacing valid electors with fake electors in a total of seven states. It's very thin that he would claim he wants separation from Sidney Powell because he hasn't personally met her or had a direct communication with her. They worked on the same project from the same QAnon rabbit hole. Different shifts?