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Calling Trump’s effort to illegally stay in power a “Putsch” sent shivers down my spine, because Hitler’s “Beer Hall Putsch” - a failed attempt at a coup in 1923 Germany wasn’t the end of him - rather it was only a warm up act. We must ensure that our Democracy can withstand another, more informed attack - whether from Trump or one of his autocratic imitators.

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Jun 2, 2023·edited Jun 2, 2023Liked by Joyce Vance

The Trump summary you provided is useful as a pamphlet on Fascism in America, courtesy of Donald J. Trump. It reminds me of the one the US War Department created for the Army during WWII, which was highlighted on Letters from an American.

'Can we call it fascism yet'? Hell yes; we've rightly called it fascism for quite a while!

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The man tried to overthrow our government. We all saw it live on TV. Why is he being treated as a viable candidate for President in spite of the 14th Amendment? Ever since January 6, 2021, I have felt as if nobody is in charge. Don't get me wrong, I support President Biden, but why wasn't Trump detained on the evening of the 6th, or on the 7th at the latest? Why are there still Seditionists in Congress voting on legislation that could have tanked not just our economy, but that of the whole world? Jack Smith has a lot to make up for, but he or someone needs to do what it takes to get Trump off the ballot and the Sedition Caucus behind bars. If he steals the White House again, America is over.

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Joyce: you got joined tonight by Andrew Weissman and Neil Katyal - after today's further news about the 2021 Bedminster interview - they both changed their predictions on Trump from "if" he'll be indicted to "when" he's indicted.

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Mrs. Vance, this issue of Civil Discourse is a masterpiece. Thank you from a paid subscriber.

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Who gives a rats ass if we get criticism over calling out the truth that trump and the GOP are driving toward Fascism .Say it not less then 10 times a day. Problem is half the country doesn’t understand or cares about what fascism is. Time for Jack Smith and Fani Willis to bring the body blows to Mr. Trump great great essay Joyce!

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I continue to be appalled at just how frightening it is for me as a lesbian, and those who are not white? How the hell will they escape the retribution? It’s not just his actions- his followers seem to believe they too have no limitations on their behaviors. I visited Texastan over the weekend. Uncomfortable in the Gym for the ceremony is the best description.

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More frightening to me than Trump’s actions are the daily acts of overt cowardice displayed by the party who could stop this....but won’t because it may harm themselves. Apparently the country be damned...Nothing short of unbelievable.....

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Yes, Trump’s words and actions reek of fascism! We must fight for our democracy together!

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"The ideal subject of totalitarian rule.. the distinction between fact and fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.? “ - Hannah Arendt

This has been on my Twitter profile page since 2015. It has been obvious to many of us that 1930s-1945 regime was being replicated here. Yet, our American media has only been willing to use the most factual terms, including the word “lie”, since 2020. Therefore, we should call it fascism and we better make certain Biden-Harris is re-elected if “we wish to keep our Republic” and continue to be a democracy.

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We can only hope that Willis and Smith will file suits of such power and urgency that the demented orange fascist is permanently crippled before any further damage is done. And may all the current & former sycophants now hoping to gain power be politically stained beyond redemption for their long and slavish obeisance to the wannabe dictator.

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Shortly after Trump was elected, I created a Twitter account where I juxtaposed Trump actions with passages from Orwell's 1984. [https://twitter.com/Trumpocracy1984]

Rather quickly, Trump's behavior overtook parody.

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Trump is indeed scary and I don’t scare easily. He potentially could take down all we’ve built in the last 250 years. We must work together to keep him from happening.

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Yes, yes, yes. Thank you for being so clear and explicit. DJT's clearly stated intentions are incompatible with democracy. More and more public figures must speak out more clearly on this danger.

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I think, regarding trump’s actions, it goes far beyond “bully.” He didn’t only fire people due to lack of loyalty. He did not care if people died, to serve his purpose. And, people did die. In my opinion, he’s genocidal, a narcissist, and a sociopath. In other words, a soulless & dangerous monster.

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I've been calling it fascist for a while now...opps, I guess I've been politically incorrect. We are in this together in all our beautiful diversity and multicultural heritage. Shout it to the sky!! Biden is our man! If he can't do it, no one can! He has run a steady ship. I know there are a lot of people who aren't happy about Afghanistan and to say it didn't go as we had hoped is an understatement. But Biden didn't back away from responsibility. He has been successful in herding cats and though the railroad negotiations didn't go well he has been rallying the unions and ensuring a better future for us all. As long as we stand together, we will prevail. Democrats will bring the voters out. We will make headway in understanding our neighbors' points of view. We will listen carefully and respond with clear and plain truth. As Joyce always ends her Discourse, "We are in this together".

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