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We're pretty blue here in Marin County, CA, but I'm signed up to work the polls in the primary next March. It's a four-day stint from 6:30am to 9pm. I did it once before, but it was only a single day then. It's a very rewarding experience. I recall a few special moments. One in particular was a young woman bringing her grandmother to the polls to help her register to vote for the first time. It was very moving and it really makes you feel like all of this matters. I'd encourage anyone who can do to one or more of the several things that Joyce has listed in this post. I now have to figure out what else I'm going to do. We cannot let him get anywhere close to the White House. I've been reading up on the Heritage Foundation's Project 2025 and it's quite frightening. Please do what you can...and at a minimum...VOTE!

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Same here, Bob, in Columbia MD. Signed up to be an election judge. But these recent words are so distressing. Trump has metaphorically “shot” many people on 5th Ave and gotten away with it. We cannot count on the Courts. Thank you, Joyce for your reminders of the actions we can take. No one will be safe in Trump’s America.

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Kathi Miller, he has harmed or killed millions with his mishandling of Covid.

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And that’s not counting the vets whose healthcare funding is consistently voted down by Repugs of the Bone Spur Club. . . Or the environmental acts repealed as agriculture and industrial pollution fill our drinking water with Uranium-nitrates and “forever chemicals.” But even idiots of Ohio, with an environmental-train disaster in their backyards, yet they still rally round the pole of Repug hypocrisy . . . It takes no brain-effort to join a club of arrogant, smug ignorance among people itching for a fight. The Repugs are fueled with endless, self-righteous indignation and a need for a Band-wagon identity.

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Painting with a broad brush may feel good because it vents your anger, but its effect on people you call "idiots" is counterproductive. It feeds their sense of being forgotten and oppressed by holier than thou "elites," for one thing. For another, they are not "idiots" at all: they are functional adults doing things that require intelligence, like driving trucks, working in slaughterhouses, digging trenches, serving as tellers in banks, operating farm equipment. They pass drivers' license tests, they sign loan agreements and pay credit card bills just like we all do. I have MAGAs in my family; I have found that by giving respect to them -- listening to their stories, for example -- I get respect back.

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Oh--and the choice to remain ignorant is a personal choice, especially when the hazardous waste site is in plain view, as in Ohio; if that isn’t a sign of IDIOCY and intellectual laziness, I don’t know what is. The ones who aren’t necessarily “idiotic” are the ones who trust polluting corporations (and the politicians sponsored by those corporations) to be forthright and honest, when, in fact, they settle out of court with non-disclosure clauses, hiding their superfund sites from unsuspecting communities. . . .or they self-righteously vote for so-called “conservative” Repugs that ignore professional expertise, go for a cheap solution, and manage to poison entire communities . . . Like I said: Go check your own water supply before pointing a self-righteous finger in my direction.

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Don’t man-splain to me about “My anger” as if I don’t know anything about poor, working-class communities who vote against their interests and who have been subjected to weaponized propaganda for decades. I’ve been there. Before you dismiss my concerns, I dare you to get a good assessment of your own drinking water--one that looks specifically at heavy metals, Uranium and PFAS. So you are tolerant of your MAGAts; how well do they listen to YOUR perspective? MAGAts in my realm are racist, extremist and prefer not to look too deep into issues. . . Until, perhaps, someone turns up with a calamity directly tied to the their own health and well being.

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He has and he drove our economy in the dumps too because of no plan

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You are most welcome

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4 days! I worked the polls in 2020 and 2022 here in PA. It’s 5:30 to 8:00. I worked in a red a district where I could spot the Trumpers just by their attitude, shoving photo ID’s in my face. Yelling about voter fraud and all kinds of nonsense. I told them my job is to “provide them with what they need for their vote to be tabulated. I’m not judging you by who you vote for.” One particularly argumentative mother and son were questioning me on how do I know if they’re who they say they are? I said, “I simply follow procedure and I’m not the one trying to defraud the voters, if they’re trying to vote more than once. I won’t be held accountable for their actions, they will. Now, can we continue with the process and move on to your constitutional right to vote?”Next election, they couldn’t have been nicer.

It is a long day, and 4 days sounds like a boot camp. Your efforts are greatly appreciated.

I will probably return to the polls next year. I like meeting the voters, most are friendly and appreciate our efforts.

The coup has continued through the courts packed by the Heritage Foundation, the Federalist Society fascists judges and bought off politicians through Citizens United. With two country’s recently electing far right leaders who admire Trump (Argentina & The Netherlands) a huge win for oligarchs and billionaires and Citizens United, is not heartening. We must continue to strongly oppose what the criminal party is trying to foist upon us through Christo-fascism, white supremacy, and running Trump as a candidate who we all know is a dangerous combination of hate speech and fear mongering. No one will be spared, including his supporters.

One question for Joyce, how is it one Senator can block all military appointments weakening our military? Bringing harm and instability the safety of our nation? It’s not an act of insurrection? To weaken our nation’s ability to protect itself? We have no vehicle to protect ourselves from a traitor within?

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I love that story about the mother and son. Facts really do matter. As a regular poll worker myself, in a fairly sane blue area of Massachusetts, I've come to believe that many voters really don't know how elections work, how the votes are counted, etc. I and my sister poll workers (the overwhelming majority of us are women, and usually "of a certain age"), and especially our town clerk fill in the details whenever we have the opportunity.

P.S. about Tommy the Tuba -- it's not an act of insurrection because the Senate rules are so idiosyncratic and often anti-democratic. I heartily recommend Adam Jentleson's KILL SWITCH: The Rise of the Modern Senate & the Crippling of Democracy. Jentleson is a longtime congressional aide who is now chief of staff to Sen. John Fetterman (D-PA). He knows his stuff, including the history, and he writes well.

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I work the polls with my sister, also. We’re both retired public education teachers. Our sister is retiring from teaching in OH and can’t get back to PA fast enough. Thank you for recommending Adam Jentleson’s book. We’re big John Fetterman supporters.

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Thank you for the tip on Adam Jentleson, never heard of him or the book!

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I got to meet him at a local book fair the summer after the book came out (2021). Really nice guy!

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Thank you for the book rec for Adam Jentleson.

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I just put the book on my list...a list that is getting too long. But this one will be near the top.

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My need-to-read pile is out of control, even though many books in the "pile" are ebooks -- go figure! But KILL SWITCH made its way to the top and stayed there until I read it. (Meeting the author almost always helps, and it did in this case.)

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Susanna, I bought it and read it. Great book, lots of inside dirt, and scary!

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I have only worked the polls once, here in AZ (yes, Maricopa County!) in 2020...hoo boy, what an experience. But the highlights were the parents bringing their kids in, the young adults (mostly women) outing for the first time and so excited, and the elderly who had never missed an election and were not going to be deterred by age or infirmity! About 95% of all the ones I saw were respectful and patient with the long lines, machines on the fritz and so forth...all of that has given me hope for 2024.

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Good for you Carol! I’m glad your experience was mostly positive, mechanical glitches notwithstanding. I’ll add my hope to yours for 2024!

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I worked very hard on Biden's Campaign here in Arizona. I'm so glad we had conscientious people like you working with us ‼️

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Well said, Karen. I’m sorry about the rudeness you have had to endure. My personal opinion is that there have been more than a few first time registered voters among boomers (because Trump’s nationalism-xenophobia resonates with them). They only know about voting from Trump; thus poll workers are to be suspected. Brava that you will go back. Such important work.

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My question exactly!! Who and why was a rule ever put in place to permit one man to block hundreds of nominees from stepping up to lead our military? The very act itself is treason.

We can scream at Tuberville, but the mere fact that this rule exists certainly demonstrates how our Congress is operating in an anti-democratic manner. I suppose HCR explained the origin of this rule at some point but it is an affront to every military leader and citizen who cares about our country and our democracy.

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I'm soooo tired of tfg and his traitor buddies, I wouldn't blink twice if somehow he got stuffed in a box with a cork in his mouth and we could forget about him. Unfortunately that isn't productive. But fighting fire with fire is, and a picture is worth a thousand words:send him photos of executions of dictators like Musollini.

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Thank you for signing up again Bob! 👏👍 I’m 76 with diabetes, osteoporosis, and most election-related, high blood pressure! I don’t have the temperament to deal with those Trump voters!! 😖

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Thank you, Kathi! Just make sure that you vote. We are fortunate here in that there are not that many of those "T" voters. Everyone who is registered in the state receives a mail-in ballot. Given how the "T" voters seem to think that mail-in ballots are a bad thing, we get more of them than we might expect. We've had a couple of people with strange questions from time to time, but it's manageable. We do our best to treat everyone equally and with respect, regardless of how they choose to engage.

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Photos to send to tfg:

51 fotografias e imagens de Mussolini Hanging - Getty Images

https://www.gettyimages.pt/fotos/mussolini-hanging

Plus;

The Ceaușescus were executed at 4:00 p.m. local time[27] at a military base outside Bucharest on 25 December 1989.[10] The execution was carried out by a firing squad consisting of paratroop regiment soldiers: Captain Ionel Boeru, Sergeant-Major Georghin Octavian and Dorin-Marian Cirlan, while reportedly hundreds of others also volunteered.[28] Before the execution, Nicolae Ceaușescu declared, "We could have been shot without having this masquerade!"[18] The Ceaușescus' hands were tied by four soldiers before the execution.[29] Simon Sebag Montefiore wrote that, before the sentences were carried out, Elena Ceaușescu screamed, "You sons of bitches!" as she was led outside and lined up against the wall, while Nicolae Ceaușescu sang "The Internationale".[30]

The firing squad began shooting as soon as the two were in position against a wall. The execution happened too quickly for the television crew assigned to the trial and death sentence to videotape it in full; only the last round of shots was filmed. In 2014, retired Captain Boeru told a reporter for The Guardian newspaper that he believes that the shots he fired from his rifle were solely responsible for the deaths of both of the Ceaușescus, because, of the three soldiers in the firing squad, he was the only one who remembered to switch his Kalashnikov rifle to fire fully automatic, and at least one member of the group hesitated to shoot for several seconds.[31] In 1990, a member of the National Salvation Front reported that 120 bullets were found in the couple's bodies.[28]

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As Cassidy Hutchinson said recently, and I'm paraphrasing, "...everyone should vote for Joe Biden if they care about democracy."

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I'm so tired of being told this and of being forced to vote for a lifelong Corporate Democrat who was elected the first time solely because he wasn't trump. I'm sick of the Corporate Democrats and Democrat Leadership not giving a damn about what matters to the voters, to the citizens, of not fighting for those things.

I used to vote split ticket but haven't since 2016 and never will again. But I am sick and tired of being given the same, stale choice and being browbeat with the calls "Vote blue or it's a vote for trump!" or "If you care about democracy vote for Biden" and any variation thereof. I care very much about democracy (our oligarchy since Citizens United) and would gladly vote for someone who took the multiple threats we are facing seriously (fascism takeover, climate destruction, rampant injustice, horrible economic imbalance...) and acted accordingly instead of someone who thinks he's owed the office because of years of service to big business, corporations and donors, someone whose ego is running the show instead of using common sense and humility and using those to choose a younger, more progressive successor and helping them get elected. (And no, not Harris.) It's all "mine, mine, mine & no one else and if you won't vote for me then you must hate democracy!" Argh!

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Hi Kasumi, I tend to agree with your frustration on the issues you mentioned... I happen to think Joe Biden is doing a great job toward resolving these issues... but more importantly I want to respectfully ask you, 'not to make the Perfect the enemy of Good.'

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Thanks for your reply. I disagree about Biden but respect your take. Don't worry, I've never looked for perfect and am not now. Take care.

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Your comment makes me think that you're not aware of all the great legislation that Pres. Biden has gotten passed. Here are just a few:

The bipartisan Infrastructure Bill, that is projected to create as many as 19 million new jobs repairing our aging roads & bridges. The Chips & Science Act, which will bring microchip manufacturing back to the US. The Inflation Reduction Act, which is the largest investment in climate & energy in American history, reduces the federal government budget deficit & lowers prescription drug prices.

In addition, here are some other Biden Administration accomplishments:

Best economic recovery from Covid in the G7

GDP growth on average has been 3%, 3 times higher than Trump

Lowest unemployment rate in a peacetime economy since World War II

Inflation back down to pre-pandemic levels, now at 3.1%

Domestic oil production on track to set records in 2023

Supported veterans by passing the Pact act for veterans & their survivors

Strengthened global alliances & partnerships around the world.

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You’ve made it all pretty clear what you are sick and tired of but what are you for, and if you know, what are you doing to make things better? It’s very easy to be a part of the problem but not even offering to be part of a solution is a bit irresponsible don’t you think?

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It would indeed be irresponsible to only complain and not try to make things better. I don't do that.

Writing one post in which I shared my frustrations is hardly all there is about me nor is it indicative of what I do and don't do in my life to counteract those frustrations. I thought this was a place where one could reach out and share their worries and frustrations without being mocked but given your reply and a few others I see that I was mistaken. Thanks for the info - it's good to know going forward.

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I hear you. It’s incredibly frustrating to have to vote AGAINST someone rather than FOR a candidate who represents my values. Our system is all about Corporate greed (“for lack of a better word “) and Citizens United sealed the deal. I’ve held my nose when voting most of my life (exceptions, of course. Obama ❤️) but we can slog through and fix it, I have to believe that. 2016-2020 and the consequences of his reign of terror has brought people to the polls in numbers that matter. As Joyce wisely says: we are in it together.

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If I may interject? We all tend to be feeling angry, upset and railroaded these days when the worst politically and otherwise seem to be having the attention. We are avoiding a ditch the size of the Grand Canyon. No one seems to be getting needs met as the violence of the authoritarian tide becomes a credible threat. The reasons don’t matter why we are mad, as we should be. Especially in the median age group I judge this group of concerned folks to be. Kasimii, i understand fully. My response to the situation is different. I’m most angry about a future I had planned that’s disappeared because of this nonsense. I’m in the process of moving on emotionally. So, angry about having little choice, no one likes to feel they don’t have a choice. But, indeed this is what this time in the country underlines is that our choices for a future may be lost. Forever? I say losing what you have is a bad first step, I don’t trust those odds. We are all actually reacting to the same awful news. It affects us all, we are indeed listening just reacting differently. This year upcoming is going to be very difficult.

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Kasumii, it would be safe to say that your original post is "polarizing"... but it is clearly a heartfelt and honest frustration shared by many (including me to a certain degree) that quietly concur -but- when looking at the big picture and assessing the current state of politics here for at least another full election cycle feel compelled to see it as reductive: fascism/authoritarianism vs democracy, red vs blue, profit focus vs humanistic collective thinking focus. In light of that stark contrast it is easy to default to vote BLUE regardless and hope we don't support more like Sinema or Manchin -but- also grow the "The Squad" and progressive thinking that contrasts "Corporate Dems". So please do not give up posting your impassioned thoughts because some (not a majority) find fault and don't respond with respect and decorum. Like Joyce says "we are in this together".

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Sharing one’s worries is very legitimate but that is not what you present while tearing down the leader who has done an incredible job in the face of one obstruction after another by, as another writer pointed out, the Republican Party is not engaged in governance but rather performance theater that attacks everything and everyone who disagrees with their dogma.

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I was sharing my beliefs and opinions, not tearing anyone down.

If you took it that way may I politely suggest you add a bit of objectivity to the exchange. My beliefs aren't an attack or personal insult on you. Nor on Biden. I happen to disagree with him on multiple issues but that is exactly that - disagreement on issues. I didn't attack him personally.

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Dear Me, You only omitted his name. If not implicitly him, then who? Your post, as I previously mentioned was a hard read. I do hope that post-op pain subsides soon.

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The three replies I read from SPW, KMD, and Lynn Geri seemed to be respectful

and not trying to “mock” you. Yes, disagreeing with your point of view but not “putting you down” personally for holding these views.

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Kasumi, perhaps you could work on your local elections and get to know some of the candidates and see where you could help. We do need more people who will be willing to run for office at the top and the only way to get those is to work from the bottom up.

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That would take more effort than a rant so it probably won’t happen

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Thanks for the reply Norma. Unlike Tina, you have good manners & good suggestions.

Other than running for office myself I've been involved and do know those who do run. There's not a single Independent or Democrat among them. There was one such person - just one - in the last 25 years. They were a very capable, forward thinker who gave decades of their life to the community in many ways before running for city council eight years ago. They were defeated and then publicly mocked by the Republican who won. This person finally had enough and moved out of state to a far more tolerant and accepting community where they are now in elected office and making positive change there.

Some communities will never change. Some people will never, ever give up their hatreds and fears. The community I live in is one such community. So, I do what I can where I can. I donate to the very small, progressive causes that do exist and I speak out even when it costs me and keep saving for my own move.

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It sounds like you are in a difficult situation and making the best of it. Kudos to you!

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I can’t imagine living in such a community and hope there is a long game prospect that they will change with recognition that the present moment of hate and failed governance will hurt them as well as the rest of us. Stay strong. Blow off steam but stay focused on making a difference yourself.

To be sure, your posts is a hard read but you can also be assured there are a great majority who are frightened in this moment of crisis.

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I agree. I worked the polls in 2020 and 2022. You really do interact with the voters and most are appreciative of our efforts and dedication to democracy. It’s a long day and in some cases days. But you feel good afterwards because you participated in our country’s most valuable resource, the people, and their right to vote.

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You are unhappy with the economy? It is not 2008, when Wall Street was rescued and Main Street paid the price.

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The choice is simple: Biden or fascism.

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The choice is simple: Biden or autocracy.

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So, what do you propose? Politics are frustrating, yes, but, I admire a person who has compassion for those in pain. At this point, there is only one person who fits in that category.

Add onto that the things POTUS has done for us. If you read Ms. Vances article, there were some listed. All we got from 45 was over a million of our countrymen dead. Oh, and lies! Can't forget those. But, as a believer in free speech, you have stated your opinion, and, I have also.

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Which I disagree with in parts but I respect your right to have a different opinion and to state so, Polly. Thanks for sharing and for not being insulting while doing so. That matters & I appreciate it.

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I have to wonder how much you know about Joe Biden; who he is and what he has done. No one thinks he is perfect, and anyone who runs for office has ambition and ego. If they didn't, they wouldn't run! The important thing is what they hope to accomplish with their ambition and ego. I believe Biden genuinely wants to make our world a better place and is doing all he can to achieve that, in spite of the Republicans. I'm not hoping to make you an enthusiastic Biden fan, but I think it would be awesome if you could at least be content when you vote. I wish you all the best. Karen (No, not THAT Karen)

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Sorry. Not buying it. This is the cry of the whiner who complains and does nothing. This sort of whine is what gave us the tfg. It's the mewl of the "progressive" who, when s/he turns around will find themselves the "separated at birth" twin of a MAGA.

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I imagine you think yourself and your reply clever and bitingly witty but all you've shown is your lack of humanity and good manners. Good luck with that approach in life.

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Nice try.

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You’re not wrong. There are so many issues that voters are clear about where they stand but are ignored by the politicians who receive money from lobbyists, corporations and who knows who else. I no longer trust any politician’s words because of this money allegiance and repetitive behavior. Gun sense, abortion, voting rights, you name it. Just the fact that Obama involved himself so much in the last presidential primary season and anointed a 76 year old as if 4 years later everyone would be ok with an 80 year old guy wanting another term. Writing on the wall anyone? We could all see this coming down the pike. HOWEVER, I will be voting for Joe because I have no choice. Joe has done a great job. But he is too old for the young people in this country especially given how much the voters are already ignored. Trump is also really old, is much worse shape and he’s nuts to boot. I wish we were in a situation where the right candidate is in the race right now. But it’s not reality so Joe is my guy. I just wanted you to know I empathize with your thoughts.

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Thank you for your well thought out reply. This is exactly how I feel. I too will vote for Biden again but only because I have no other choice, just like the first time. Between him and a theocratic fascist state there is no contest but I will always wish I'd had another, better choice - one that looked far beyond 4 years. Thanks again Terri.

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Kasumii I agree with you about the lack of real choice between typical normie candidates and the corporatist slant of the major parties. But Trump is a special form of evil. I will vote for Biden so that I will have the right to vote and have my right to vote again!

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I hope you feel better now.

I’m not sure which of your desired candidates could do what Biden has done. Yes we wish he were younger, not a “corporate democrat”. But your vote isn’t a love letter but a choice. Get involved, help a candidate you like.

You know what? Your candidate might win. Or run yourself, and see how many people agree with you.

It’s a democracy.

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I'm in a great deal of post-op pain at the moment so take that into account with what I'm about to say.

You have a few good ideas but your snarky tone diminished them all. A "...love letter..."? Seriously?

Did I give any fucking indication that I'm pining for a politician I can fall in love with? I did not. I simply expressed my frustration with Biden and with everybody acting like Biden is the second coming of Christ and to hell with everyone who wanted and still wants someone younger, far more forward thinking and with moral courage enough to fully, squarely face all the disasters that not only we here in America are facing but globally. Humanity is on a downward slide to wiping ourselves out through climate destruction (no one survives when the heat ramps up & stays up - do some basic research) and wars and full on fascist hate (look at the recent elections in the Netherlands and Argentina).

Give me a break! A "...love letter..."!! Yeech.

Run for office yourself first. If you win feel free to lecture me all you want.

I'm signing off now because my patience with snark and rudeness is gone for at least a week.

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Unfortunately, it is the MAGA Republicans who continually compare Donald Trump to Christ.

Joe Biden is 81. Do we all wish he were younger. Of course! But he has been the President for ALL Americans, & he has past legislation that will benefit ALL Americans, not just those who voted for him. In fact the Infrastructure Bill & the Chips & Science Act are already benefiting residents of Red States! Perhaps while you are recovering you can Google these bills to get an idea of how much Old Joe Biden has accomplished.

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I'm aware of Biden's full history and accomplishments but thanks for the recommendation.

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Wow!! The real you.

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Here's a hint (which you'll probably ignore but WTH): Almost as soon as I hear a progressive type railing against "corporate Democrats," I leap to the conclusion that this person has been drinking lefty Kool-Aid and is parroting phrases they've picked up from like-minded cohorts. I do keep listening for signs that this person has his/her own (it's usually "his") organizing experience and thinking based on that experience. I'm always ready to listen to people talk about how they got to where they are.

Fwiw, I've been in a similar space for decades. I'm a lesbian feminist from way back (like the mid/late 1970s). "Skeptical about partisan politics" doesn't begin to describe it. Partisan politics and lesbian feminism weren't even on the same continuum in the late 1970s. Even the straight women allies were damn hard to find. As the Reagan administration got underway, I realized that the stakes were higher, far higher, than in the '70s. The only way to ensure that the issues important to me *ever* got dealt with was to fight to counter the white-supremacist neoliberal BS "Reagan revolution" in every way possible, while doing what I could to persuade my liberal and progressive allies that feminists and lesbians had important contributions to make.

Short version: U.S. democracy is in a fight for its life. If it doesn't succeed, the issues you and I want dealt with will never get dealt with, ever. And yes, I realize that if we do get through this, all of us who want a more inclusive democracy will have to keep fighting, because the white XY-chromosome people will be more than happy to take the lead again. But now is not the time for calling Biden et al. "corporate Democrats," OK? Get it now?

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Thank you, Susanna! The minute I hear "corporate Democrats," I think roughly the same thing, but I would add that NOW, in this 11th hour, is NOT the time to be talking about replacing Joe Biden because he's old, or whatever the current argument is. That is not important now. The ONLY thing anyone should be thinking about right now isa vote for Biden is a vote to continue democracy. Everybody else is going to have their chance in 2028 and beyond, but right now, the candidate for the Republicans looks to be the Autocrat who is out for revenge against all of his perceived slights. ANY vote against Biden is a vote for Trump. It's too bad that the OP has the attitude that right now, right away, HIS viewpoint is the one to have because of all the "corporate Democrats." And then after making comments like that, in 2023, less than a year from the time we could lose our democracy, is completely intolerant of any snark or push-back. Post-op pain or not, that is a whole bagful of BS. Sorry I'm using a response to you to address the OP, but I didn't want to encourage their wrath here on "CIVIL Discourse." Hope you had a great holiday, and the fight continues!

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No kidding about replacing Biden. The Democrats who suggest it aren't living in the reality-based universe. The Dems have a deep bench, but none of them have the national reach to develop an effective campaign at the 11th hour. Also the Biden-replacers often don't seem all that fond of VP Harris (who I think isn't getting nearly enough credit for what she's done) either, so do they want to dump her too? Way to lose an election, people.

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All true! I'm starting to NOT understand the thinking of some of my party as much as I don't understand the thinking of some of the MAGA ilk. Harris was my primary vote back in 2020, which seems about 30 years ago now. Sorry to all the Dems who are coming into their THIRD existential crisis presidential election -- I get the exhaustion, but now is not the time to give up or to go searching for that perfect candidate that doesn't exist.

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I didn't read past your snarky comment "...which you'll probably ignore but WTH...".

Insults and snark are not the way to get people to engage in constructive conversation. I might have agreed with some or all of what you posited but I no longer spend any time on a dialogue that starts with snark.

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In 2016, the Democrats fell asleep. In Michigan just weeks before the national election we could see the handwriting on the wall. Clinton could lose Michigan. We asked for help from The Dem party and were mostly ignored. If you wish the background on Michigan government, I can provide it.

What took place in Michigan was a minority of people decided they did not like Clinton or trump. They voted anyone but trump or Clinton. In 2012, the minority who voted otherwise was an <1.5%. Similar holds true in 2020. What took place in 2016? The anybody but Clinton or trump was ~6.3% in Wisconsin, ~5,23% in Michigan, and ~4.25% in Pennsylvania. It was enough of a variance to put a lunatic in office.

Do not like the deficit? This economist (only an MA) does not like it either. Unfortunately. tax cuts passed under reconciliation in or around 2017 creating the $2 trillion deficit "we" are now expecting. Soon it will be decided (by law) to revert back to the old tax format for us. However, corporations will keep their breaks (by law) and main street will pay for them.

I did not care for Biden as he had a grudge against students on student loans. I caught up with Stabenow at a garden party in Michigan and queried her on her stance against student loans. The thought the silvered-haired guy was safe to allow a question. I was not. The student loan system is corrupt and Congress knows it.

We are being propelled by an economic tailwind which did not exist after Wall Street collapsed and "we" paid the price for it. I worked 800 miles from my family and home and then 400 miles till I could get a well-paying job in Michigan again. That tailwind was created under Biden's tutelage. Something, Obama could not pull off because of congressional backing. The forecast? Inflation will decrease again. And jobless claims are stabilizing. Sahms rule . . .

I apologize for my terse remark earlier. I can only tell you how we made the mistake once before which lead to a far worse ending then and provides a foundation for a reoccurrence now. My apology extends to the substack owner too.

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Your outrage seems terribly misplaced as we watch a red party and third party candidates prepared to blow up the country by supporting unregulated capitalism and culture wars that have set this country back decades, denying people the dignity of their human rights and voting rights.

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Then run for office yourself. Or ask one of your buddies you think would be a great public servant to run. Go all out trying to get candidates in place that you would be delighted to lead.

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Thank you Permian Extinction.

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You are certainly welcome, Valere.

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It's also very telling that the Republicans in Congress, and Republican governors, are not speaking out against the threats that Trump makes. They too, no longer care about decency or democracy. I intend to find a way to lend my voice and time to helping defeat them all in next November's election.

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Due to health restrictions, I don’t always have the energy to consistently be involved in promoting the people I cared about getting into office, So I am starting awareness nights. They’re going to be twice a month to start. Sometimes meeting as a “book club “ reading Enough, Prequel, and attack from within. Other nights will be watching important specials, the first one being the Chris Hayes/Rachel Maddow interview. Other nights might be just hearing what those in the public are dealing with and how those of us more home bound can help. Stay involved no matter your limitations

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If you havent heard about Postcards To Voters you might be interested

https://postcardstovoters.org as it is another way to make a difference and impact from home

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I write post cards with my adult daughter every Sunday. It’s a way to volunteer and be involved. The goal is to reach as many Democrats as possible and urge them to vote for specific candidates in district, state and national elections.

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Down ballot voting is Imperative

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Nov 25, 2023·edited Nov 25, 2023

So true. Even with the judges I always look to see which governor elected them.

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There's also Letters to Voters for those whose writing hand may have difficulty writing multiple lines on half of a postcard. Votefwd.org

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I switch between the letters and postcards; my go-to (for postcards) has been the local Native Democrats (NE AZ)...very local and very organized re getting registered, being educated in the process, getting the word out, etc.

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Yes re Arizona Native voters, I've been contributing to Arizona Native Voters and Navajo County Native Organizing Fund since sometime last year. For several years, I've also been donating, in memory of a deceased friend who always went to the Sturgis motorcycle rally, to both the Native American Heritage Assn. and the Oglala Lakota College. Loch was a magician and went to the reservation to give shows for the kids.

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Good idea. Thanks 🙏

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Great idea. In Oregon, we vote by mail. We get a lot of information about the candidates and their positions before the election so sending out a post card sounds like a good idea. When I lived in Chicago and Park Forest - one of the suburbs of Chicago, we used to have volunteers that would go and pick people up, take the to the polls and bring them back home again. We would have all the local Churches, Assisted Living Communities, Senior Organizations and Clubs asking people if they needed a ride to the polls. We asked how to contact them and about 2 weeks before the election, they would get asked what time they would like to go to vote. And no, even though this is Chicago, no one every asked to be picked up from the cemetary to vote!

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As an 84 year old who has voted since I turned 18, I appreciate this post! Too often, we senior citizens can’t think of ways to help. Our country’s democracy is at stake, and this suggestion could allow us to meet some young neighbors.

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Exactly. That’s what I’m hoping to accomplish. I’ve written to Barbara Lee (who isn’t my rep but I don’t much care for mine) and rep Schiff to do zoom meetings. I’m not that old, just dealing with some challenges

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Barbara Lee didn’t even lift a finger to save her college alma mater, Mills College.

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Good for you! But I don’t think you voted at 18, they couldn’t vote when you were that age. My first vote was after the Vietnam war when 18 year olds were given the vote.

And me too,ever since the first time. Some dumb votes, like Indeoendent once as a protest. And Ross Perot, because he made sense. But never ever for a Republican.

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Rosalie, Let me put in a plug for seniorstakeaction.com

A group of 'older' folks who do postcards and more. They are allied with several of the larger postcard groups and share mailing lists. We meet every Wednesday online and get a weekly dose of friendship, encouragement, and education from special guests.

Aaaand, it's a great way to underwrite the USPS--they are even raising the price of postcard stamps next year, just to help us donate more to them....

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Thanks Gus.

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Gus the link didn’t work, tried twice.

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Ms Dolan, yeah, I posted that from memory--except I forgot, I don't have a working memory!

Thanks for posting the right link--and sorry for your trouble....

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Great idea! Thanks Rosalie

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MY idea is SHOW UP ON ELECTION DAY and VOTE AGAINST TRUMP and any body who associates with him. eg the Republican party!!!!!!

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But we also have to encourage everyone we know to vote for Biden and not split the votes!

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I can't see how anyone would want to split their votes when it really won't lead to a win and because Biden is the best man for the job of protecting democracy and our quality of life. We need him!

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I sure absolutely agree!!! mary margaret flynn

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A tool may be that the GOP party policy supports all that Trump stands for. The party must be forced to fail or change from its current policy. It’s a harder sell but if you watch Fargo? Omg, the sheriff played by Jon Hamm! Takes place on 2019. Sheriff is on your ballot if you have a sheriff. Vote blue down the line only makes sense if we are to punish a party at the polls.

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Nov 25, 2023·edited Nov 25, 2023

I try to start discussions with "policies aside, Trump is a disturbing and dangerous person." Anyone who argues that they don't like him but like his policies is sugar-coating their support of him as president. Plenty of other candidates support the same policies; encourage other choices. Argue his instability as a human. He is VERY disturbed and has no business setting foot in the White House. Vote for Biden or don't vote.

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First and foremost, I hope everyone following Joyce's newsletter, and of course Joyce herself, had a wonderful Thanksgiving.

Those are great talking points the Biden/Harris campaign has put out in rebuttal to the deranged comments coming from the Trump side. Folks couldn't stop talking about the potency of the ad in Andy Beshear's Kentucky re-election campaign featuring the young lady who was an incestuous rape victim talking directly to Beshear's opponent. I want to see more of that in 2024 ....not just on the subject of choice, but also union worker's talking about what Biden has done for them; factory workers talking about their gains under the Inflation Reduction Act; other individual Americans talking straight into the camera about how Biden has improved their lives.

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Yes, yes, yes! I have to wonder why Democrats are so bad at messaging. Regular people talking directly to the cameras about how the Biden years have improved their lives....yes, more of these. Let's include lots of people who are now working on Biden infrastructure projects.....And also lots of "what has your GOP Rep, Senator, Governor done for you today? Nothing?" would be useful. Thanks, David!

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Based on a lot of the things I’ve been reading, I really don’t *think* Danger Yam will win next year. However, I’m not so oblivious of my personal fallibility or of the catastrophic effect if he did eke out a win as to rest on my laurels. In addition to keeping up with the political news, I am contributing to campaigns as able. I can’t really talk politics at my job as a healthcare provider, but when someone is talking about how their kid got dropped from the Medicaid rolls, I will mention that the state legislature is motivated to make Medicaid difficult for families and underscore that it is an important thing to take into consideration when voting. I will also remind 17yo that they should be sure to register to vote when they turn 18.

Ideally, we need Biden to win with a really strong margin in order to reduce the “stolen election” noise. I am concerned that a third party candidate could come in and eliminate the margin.

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Well, but the so-called youth vote is complicated by their lacking-historical-context-and-knowledge-“empathy”-for-Palestine-at-all-costs brainlessness and I don’t know how wide a swath your reading runs but The Kids are whining about Biden being a Palestinian child killer so they are going to vote for third party candidates. So, no, I wouldn’t take a Biden win for granted

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I don’t take it for granted. As for the youth vote, I think a third party candidate is a definite threat there based on the current state of the Middle East conflict. Disinformation is a massive issue, and not just for the young people. But when push comes to shove, if there’s no third party candidate in November, the data suggests that they will support the candidate who is not pushing draconian abortion laws or preventing their LGBTQIA friends from living full, happy, and healthy lives.

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Someone needs to explain to them how their lives will be permanently changed and just what their future will be if he ever elected.

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It's not only the "youth vote" that's leaning away from President Biden. I saw a demonstration in my blue city downtown today that saddened me greatly. There were several dozen...maybe one hundred..outside the federal building with some fiercely anti Biden signs. Many of the participants were beyond "millennial age." Sadly, the lack of knowledge about history is a cross-generational problem.

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I started watching Ari to hear what the younger people are saying and now I watch Joy also. They bring in younger guests the kids can relate to. Maybe forward a couple of their segments

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Oh yes, I’m well aware of special days being tainted by TFFG. My wedding anniversary is June 14, which also happens to be Flag Day. Ugh...

And thanks, Joyce, for reminding us not to take a Biden win for granted. We have work to do!

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Thank you Joyce, and Happy Thanksgiving! If we are going to defeat TFG, every one is going to have to do something. If readers are looking for a warm, inclusive community of activists who write postcards, phone bank, ballot cure and more, check us out at www.markersfordemocracy.org

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Talking to, or trying to, trumpers isn’t worth the time or effort. I tried having a civil conversation through a social media platform regarding background checks and red flag laws as it relates to people with mental health issues. Since they say it’s a mental health issue not a gun issue. They immediately became hostile and calling me a variety of names.

If they’re people who say they voted for the President in 2020 but not in 2024, we need to tell them the facts that the Biden-Harris campaign put

out.

Another fact is that even when we get rid of trump, things are not going to get back to normal. He has infected too many people.

I would encourage all of us to not shy away from sharing news stories and posts in support of the President’s accomplishments. We must correct the errors.

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Thanks for your comments. Yes, unfortunately the “infection” if one could call it that is an outgrowth of Trump’s politics and personality but has deep, historical, and widespread “roots”.

To “correct the errors” may well fall short this year, and widely, as city, county, and state networks firmly held by “conservatives” have been increasing for at least the last two election cycles.

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Thank you Joyce. I hope this latest diatribe lands him in jail with no cell phone and no adoring media surrounding him for at least a week. I am sick and tired of seeing his pouting ugly face and fat body on every site I turn to. A week's relief would be wonderful! I agree with your friend that Trump will lose the popular vote and by a larger margin than he lost it in 2020 - but that is not enough to keep him out of the White House. We need to stay vigilant as Joyce says.

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It won't. He'll stay free to continue his calls for violence. Our laws have no teeth and those who should enforce them, no backbone.

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I hate to say it, but I agree with you. I feel like I'm watching a dog and pony show when there are no consequences to his adolescent, defiant, and threatening behavior! He's already the dictator!

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Why are the judges backing off their own sanctions?

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Amen Fay--the haters are not going away just because the hater-in-whining chief is locked up or defeated. They will get worse....

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I am writing postcards through Postcards To Voters https://postcardstovoters.org I have written 40 today all going to Florida some for a special election and some to remind people to re-enroll as a mail-in voter since Florida purged the addresses of mail-in voters.

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Nov 25, 2023·edited Nov 25, 2023

Trump is a delusional loose cannon. By extension, so are his followers. I have to believe he won't win the election next year because when I think of him being president again, the despair I feel is indescribable.

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Related: FANI WILLIS got some help from her next door neighbor, DeKalb District Attorney,SHERRY BOSTON, who filed a lawsuit to overturn GA Republicans' patently unconstitutional move to set up a purported "Prosecuting Attorneys Qualification Commission." The GA Supreme Court blew up the Commission something like the way Hindenburg went down. Any, the Commission is smoking ashes.

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I really feel that anyone else who posted what you printed in your substack today would be in jail tomorrow. The court system is failing us with drawn out schedules, etc etc. Someone asked me today what do I think will happen if Trump is elected---I think he will start locking people up, threatening others, firing government civil service workers, etc etc. I also think the "militias" will start appearing. I hope that I am wrong, but he has conniving people without any ethical core in his camp (Bannon for starters) and his victory (which I'll work to prevent) will be the start of a Revenge Tour like no other this country has ever seen. Not very good post-Thanksgiving feelings---but this is not a very good time in our country Here is to HOPE and ACTION.

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