I had not intended to write about the E Jean Carroll trial again tonight; I was going to give you a night off. But it’s impossible not to, with the jury reaching its decision after just a few hours of deliberation. Beyond the verdict, there were some interesting and highly significant developments today that merit our attention.
My note to her in her Substack which she took the time to write to tonight. Do we feel loved and appreciated by her. You bet!
Anyway, here it is:
E. Jean,
I cannot express how proud I am to know you. Your unwavering strength and determination have left an indelible mark on my heart. As I reflect on your arduous journey, I am reminded of the story of David and Goliath. In my eyes, you are the fierce, battle-born woman who bravely faced your own Goliath and emerged victorious.
When my young nephews ask me about you, I will tell them a tale of courage and resilience. I will share with them the story of a woman who fearlessly stood up against injustice, even when the odds seemed insurmountable. I will tell them about your unwavering determination to seek justice and the impact it has had on countless lives.
You have become a symbol of strength and hope, not just for women, but for all. Your bravery has shown us that we have the power to slay our own giants, to overcome the challenges that life throws our way. You have taught us that no matter how daunting the battle may seem, we must never lose faith in our ability to make a difference.
E. Jean, you are an inspiration to us all. Your story will be passed down through generations, a testament to the power of resilience and the pursuit of justice. You have shown us that one person can make a difference, that one voice can spark change.
Thank you for being the embodiment of courage and for reminding us that we are capable of achieving greatness. I am honored to know you and proud to call you a role model. May your story continue to inspire others to stand tall and fight for what is right.
God bless Robbie and her team who are inspiring examples of the legal system.
God doubly bless Judge Kaplan for his exemplary grace under fire.
What was really really terrible in the middle of everything else came at the end, when the judge advised the jurors to "never ever let anyone know you were on this jury." To protect them from the Seething Inadequates. Neil Katyal said in his entire legal career he had never heard a judge give such advice or even heard of one doing so, until tonight. That the threat these worthless scum are.
Tell me, if you are an employer and you found out a job applicant owed millions, would you hire him? Thought so. There’s no way Trump should get anywhere near the Oval Office owing that much money and being that close to the federal treasury.
My client, Ms E Jean Carroll, has instructed me to notify you that she will not accept personal checks, but rather insists upon bank draughts for payments pursuant to her recently awarded damage suit for defamation of character. Please direct your accountants to follow my client's wishes in this regard. And a lump-sum payment is of course preferred, as we aren't prepared to offer monthly terms at this time.
Yes, the chickens are coming home to roost -- sretching out to the horizon, a stream of birds making their way... May the rule of law hasten Trump’s Descent into Drivel, such that he cannot function and disappears from public view. What a relief that will be.
I wish the Judge had held both Alina Habba AND Donald Trump in contempt and put them in jail. Trump continues to defame Carroll, and I'm not sure she'll ever get a penny. You or I would be sitting in a jail cell with Trump's behavior, but he continues to get away with bombastic threats. As for those who support him, a businessman who identifies as Christian, said he had to support Trump because abortion is murder. The stupidity runs deep. Reading what those "gods of business" said in Davos (looking at you Jamie Dimon) was bad enough.
If you’ve never called or written to your members of congress, this is a great time to start this habit--especially in this time of deep unrest. Take Joyce’s suggestions and call or write. A quick Google search will give you all the info you need to get their contact info. You can do this, and it’s fun.
If you’re not sure what to say, let me know who your senators and congresspeople are and I’ll be glad to help you draft something. I’ll be writing to my MAGA senators tomorrow. They keep track of who writes and calls and maybe they’ll start wondering if they want to be the last rats on Trump’s sinking ship.
Yes, keeping our democracy takes effort but having lost my homeland 55 years ago, I can assure you it’s not as much work as starting over in a new country where you know no one. Let’s make sure we don’t all have to move to Canada, or Malaga--even though it would be a lovely place for an exile.
Having tried civil cases in Federal Court for over 40 years, I can tell you that Trump will have to post a bond for at least 110% of the total judgment (interest accrues during appeal), or deposit a like amount in cash with the Clerk of Courts, if he wants enforcement of the judgment stayed pending appeal. If he fails to do this, Ms Carroll will be free to use judicial means to collect the judgment (garnishments, judicial real estate foreclosures, asset seizure) while Trump’s appeal is pending. One caveat-an appellate court can modify or waive this requirement. See FRCP 62. So, an appeal is likely to be a very costly proposition.
It’s heartening to know that there were 7 men and 2 women on the jury that voted to make Trump pay $83.3 million for the harm he did to now 80 year old E. Jean Carroll. There were 6 men and 3 women on the previous defamation jury. The disinformation that Trump somehow completely owns the male gender voting demographic is not true. We men have grandmothers, mothers, wives, partners, daughters, sisters, female friends and co-workers that we love and care about. Many men will fight to defeat Trump because of his despicable treatment of women.
Good question: “How do you explain to your kids that you’re going to give your vote in the presidential race to a man who forced his fingers into a woman’s vagina and then lied about it and about her, and exposed her to public ridicule and harm?”
Thank you, Joyce. Thank you to the judge and the jury thank you to the rules of law, the constitution and the integrity of the American system and again to Joyce for stating things, so honestly, eloquently, and without hatred, we applaud you....we thank you every day, every day. Every day.....
I was glued to MSNBC from the time I got home (kitty emergency kept me out from 11am to 3:15pm). I’m so glad Kaplan was keeping a tight rein on the court and I hope future judges take note. I sure hope he refers Habba to the bar and she faces sanctions as she needs them after her politically motivated performance. Joe Tacopina was smart to dump T at the last minute cause he knew exactly what was gonna happen in court. Smart lawyers won’t work for T cause he has no respect for rules and laws. I hope I’m wrong but I posted on facebook that TFG would say something defamatory within 24 hours but hopefully this amount will finally keep his filthy mouth shut. I can’t wait to see if he posts the 83 million plus 9% for interest to appeal but I don’t think he has that kind of cash on hand, plus more sketchy reporting of his business to the special master Judge Engoron appointed. Will he be like Rudy and file bankruptcy or will he keep begging for his cult to pay for his sins? Can’t wait to see the NY payout next week. Hello to the new Carroll-lago, James Tower NY, NY Doral and Bedminster. Have a wonderful weekend and spend some “me time” with the fur and feather babies!
I am glad to hear of the judge's uncommon rebuke of the jury nullification / contemptuous raising of inadmissible or irrelevant pseudo-arguments that Habba repeatedly engaged in. In essence, it sounds like an explanation of the reasons, values and history behind the ages-old instruction that jurors have to apply the law and abide by the judge's explanations of what the law is. So I hope more and more judges use it, in an age where many people, not truly knowing all the harm they are doing, prefer following a cult leader rather than the kind of rule of law that anyone in a constitutional and democratic state should respect. and be grateful for.
My note to her in her Substack which she took the time to write to tonight. Do we feel loved and appreciated by her. You bet!
Anyway, here it is:
E. Jean,
I cannot express how proud I am to know you. Your unwavering strength and determination have left an indelible mark on my heart. As I reflect on your arduous journey, I am reminded of the story of David and Goliath. In my eyes, you are the fierce, battle-born woman who bravely faced your own Goliath and emerged victorious.
When my young nephews ask me about you, I will tell them a tale of courage and resilience. I will share with them the story of a woman who fearlessly stood up against injustice, even when the odds seemed insurmountable. I will tell them about your unwavering determination to seek justice and the impact it has had on countless lives.
You have become a symbol of strength and hope, not just for women, but for all. Your bravery has shown us that we have the power to slay our own giants, to overcome the challenges that life throws our way. You have taught us that no matter how daunting the battle may seem, we must never lose faith in our ability to make a difference.
E. Jean, you are an inspiration to us all. Your story will be passed down through generations, a testament to the power of resilience and the pursuit of justice. You have shown us that one person can make a difference, that one voice can spark change.
Thank you for being the embodiment of courage and for reminding us that we are capable of achieving greatness. I am honored to know you and proud to call you a role model. May your story continue to inspire others to stand tall and fight for what is right.
God bless Robbie and her team who are inspiring examples of the legal system.
God doubly bless Judge Kaplan for his exemplary grace under fire.
Gloria
I sincerely hope the Judge does refer Habba to the Bar Association. Her conduct is unbecoming how an officer of the court should behave.
What was really really terrible in the middle of everything else came at the end, when the judge advised the jurors to "never ever let anyone know you were on this jury." To protect them from the Seething Inadequates. Neil Katyal said in his entire legal career he had never heard a judge give such advice or even heard of one doing so, until tonight. That the threat these worthless scum are.
Tell me, if you are an employer and you found out a job applicant owed millions, would you hire him? Thought so. There’s no way Trump should get anywhere near the Oval Office owing that much money and being that close to the federal treasury.
To: Donald J Trump
From: Roberta Kaplan, Esq.
Subject: Payment of damages
Dear Mr Trump,
My client, Ms E Jean Carroll, has instructed me to notify you that she will not accept personal checks, but rather insists upon bank draughts for payments pursuant to her recently awarded damage suit for defamation of character. Please direct your accountants to follow my client's wishes in this regard. And a lump-sum payment is of course preferred, as we aren't prepared to offer monthly terms at this time.
Yours in service,
Roberta
Yes, the chickens are coming home to roost -- sretching out to the horizon, a stream of birds making their way... May the rule of law hasten Trump’s Descent into Drivel, such that he cannot function and disappears from public view. What a relief that will be.
I wish the Judge had held both Alina Habba AND Donald Trump in contempt and put them in jail. Trump continues to defame Carroll, and I'm not sure she'll ever get a penny. You or I would be sitting in a jail cell with Trump's behavior, but he continues to get away with bombastic threats. As for those who support him, a businessman who identifies as Christian, said he had to support Trump because abortion is murder. The stupidity runs deep. Reading what those "gods of business" said in Davos (looking at you Jamie Dimon) was bad enough.
Habba told Trump this trial would add zero to his liability. She was right: they added a zero.
If you’ve never called or written to your members of congress, this is a great time to start this habit--especially in this time of deep unrest. Take Joyce’s suggestions and call or write. A quick Google search will give you all the info you need to get their contact info. You can do this, and it’s fun.
If you’re not sure what to say, let me know who your senators and congresspeople are and I’ll be glad to help you draft something. I’ll be writing to my MAGA senators tomorrow. They keep track of who writes and calls and maybe they’ll start wondering if they want to be the last rats on Trump’s sinking ship.
Yes, keeping our democracy takes effort but having lost my homeland 55 years ago, I can assure you it’s not as much work as starting over in a new country where you know no one. Let’s make sure we don’t all have to move to Canada, or Malaga--even though it would be a lovely place for an exile.
May God help US.
Having tried civil cases in Federal Court for over 40 years, I can tell you that Trump will have to post a bond for at least 110% of the total judgment (interest accrues during appeal), or deposit a like amount in cash with the Clerk of Courts, if he wants enforcement of the judgment stayed pending appeal. If he fails to do this, Ms Carroll will be free to use judicial means to collect the judgment (garnishments, judicial real estate foreclosures, asset seizure) while Trump’s appeal is pending. One caveat-an appellate court can modify or waive this requirement. See FRCP 62. So, an appeal is likely to be a very costly proposition.
It’s heartening to know that there were 7 men and 2 women on the jury that voted to make Trump pay $83.3 million for the harm he did to now 80 year old E. Jean Carroll. There were 6 men and 3 women on the previous defamation jury. The disinformation that Trump somehow completely owns the male gender voting demographic is not true. We men have grandmothers, mothers, wives, partners, daughters, sisters, female friends and co-workers that we love and care about. Many men will fight to defeat Trump because of his despicable treatment of women.
Good question: “How do you explain to your kids that you’re going to give your vote in the presidential race to a man who forced his fingers into a woman’s vagina and then lied about it and about her, and exposed her to public ridicule and harm?”
Thank you, Joyce. Thank you to the judge and the jury thank you to the rules of law, the constitution and the integrity of the American system and again to Joyce for stating things, so honestly, eloquently, and without hatred, we applaud you....we thank you every day, every day. Every day.....
I’m going to make an 83.3 bumper sticker for my car like the ones you see that triathletes sport. IFYKYK!
I was glued to MSNBC from the time I got home (kitty emergency kept me out from 11am to 3:15pm). I’m so glad Kaplan was keeping a tight rein on the court and I hope future judges take note. I sure hope he refers Habba to the bar and she faces sanctions as she needs them after her politically motivated performance. Joe Tacopina was smart to dump T at the last minute cause he knew exactly what was gonna happen in court. Smart lawyers won’t work for T cause he has no respect for rules and laws. I hope I’m wrong but I posted on facebook that TFG would say something defamatory within 24 hours but hopefully this amount will finally keep his filthy mouth shut. I can’t wait to see if he posts the 83 million plus 9% for interest to appeal but I don’t think he has that kind of cash on hand, plus more sketchy reporting of his business to the special master Judge Engoron appointed. Will he be like Rudy and file bankruptcy or will he keep begging for his cult to pay for his sins? Can’t wait to see the NY payout next week. Hello to the new Carroll-lago, James Tower NY, NY Doral and Bedminster. Have a wonderful weekend and spend some “me time” with the fur and feather babies!
I am glad to hear of the judge's uncommon rebuke of the jury nullification / contemptuous raising of inadmissible or irrelevant pseudo-arguments that Habba repeatedly engaged in. In essence, it sounds like an explanation of the reasons, values and history behind the ages-old instruction that jurors have to apply the law and abide by the judge's explanations of what the law is. So I hope more and more judges use it, in an age where many people, not truly knowing all the harm they are doing, prefer following a cult leader rather than the kind of rule of law that anyone in a constitutional and democratic state should respect. and be grateful for.