Earlier today, CNN reported that a lawyer for former Vice President Mike Pence discovered “about a dozen” documents marked classified at Pence’s home in Indiana last week. Pence, as confirmed by two letters written by Greg Jacob—his former legal advisor and now designated representative for vice presidential records—promptly advised the government of the find. Jacob wrote that after initial communications with the National Archives, DOJ showed up at Pence’s residence to take custody of the classified materials. Jacob promised to personally deliver additional boxes containing records that possibly fall under the Presidential Records Act to NARA.
"Bending over backwards to establish your good faith with people who have none of their own doesn’t work."
In January 2017 at the first Women's March, my sign said APPEASEMENT or IMPEACHMENT?
As a Stanford student I lived in Berlin in the early 1980s and studied that country's history and how fascism takes hold. Those studies informed my sign at the march and are why I strongly agree with Joyce's statements here!
Once again, thank you Joyce! I'm so tired of seeing officials pandering to the cons, liars and imo criminals (aka MAGAs) and treating the overwhelmingly truthful and honorable Dems as bad guys! It's gone far enough! Someone has to step up and firmly take charge! Indict the alledged criminals and leave us alone! I'm angry and our elected officials should be too and should sound like it! (And you're right, if Hunter is being investigated, Ivanka should be too! We don't know if Hunter has done anything questionable, but we sure know Ivanka has--she told us!)
I’m waiting to see CBS breathlessly report on the Pence news AM and PM for approximately 10 days, using fast cadence and important innuendo, before Garland caves to pressure and appoints another special counsel. This country has so many critical issues before it and the media spends its time beating the wrong issues to death instead of sparking accountability for the things that matter. I can barely watch a news program anymore.
Amen! This is about as fired up as I’ve ever seen you Joyce. No more BS. The whole trumper crowd, Fox, that basket of deplorable GARBAGE currently serving in Congress—will never be satisfied. Merrick Garland: “Just do it” already.
Hopefully Congress will take a serious look at the entire classification system as you suggest and act in the best interest of our country. Also the system for tracking who has access to classified information needs to be updated. An honor system doesn’t seem to be working for higher ups while lower tier employees would face serious consequences.
Slightly OT: I worked as a contractor for the Fed. A nobody in a headset. My FBI screening took an entire day. A colleague went to prison for taking and using client info. And yet we have the Santos, Greene, Gosar folks who seemingly got their little congressional lapel pins with no review whatsoever. We vet VP candidates for weeks prior to announcing a running mate. Why isn't anyone filtering out the stench before it even gets close to our Capitol? Why is the ONE PERSON we know stole documents not in prison, like any of us would be? Doesn't seem like it should fall to the media, but no area of government is stepping up. Just like online sleuths identified scores of J6 insurrectionists, I will be vetting as candidates emerge for the next cycle. I made nearly 15000 DNC calls prior to mid-terms. Next time, I will spend my time vetting everyone!
I think the system is fine, it's the implementation that needs to be taken seriously by senior leaders/staff and by personnel. (I say this as someone who worked hard to communicate the importance of timely records management, and watched senior leaders and staff blow it off to the point that it took national direction for it to get cleaned up, and some of the records were 10 years out of date. Accountability. The rules are fine, it's the blowing off of responsibility that bugs me.
PS... Pence, Biden and Trump all had Chief's of Staff who should be on the hook for letting that happen.
The DOJ has been fiddling while Rome burns. The classified document debacle pales in contrast to the burning of the Bundestag from within. The insurrectionists in Congress should have been challenged much sooner. Now, we have a House of Representatives that has been turned into a little house of horrors with the very same insurrectionist in power and about to make a mockery of responsible governance.
Allowing the criminal and seditious behavior to go unchecked only emboldens the perpetrators and normalizes their behaviors.
This classified document stuff is beginning to sound like a bad joke...engineered by people trying to normalize Trumps behavior. All trumps properties need to be searched , as well as Ivanas grave.
Everyone needs to read "The Scheme" by Senator Sheldon Whitehouse on the capture of the Supreme Court by dark money! For me it is imperative now to make people aware of what Senator Whitehouse has put together that explains why the Extreme Court is no longer working for the People but for the plutocracy of a few men and corporations of the super rich. This is shaking me to the core. We need a Teddy Roosevelt to stop the monopolies and stop them reversing the New Deal and all our rights!
You can see the signs of all of this everywhere - the climate deniers funded by fossil fuel corporations, the shortage of baby formula because one company owns most of the production closed because of unsanitary conditions, the less than subsistence paychecks of workers and the demoralization of working in the corporate world, even the parking lots with cars that only come in white, black, gray and red colors (Give them any color they want as long as it is black. - Henry Ford), the reversal of environmental protection laws, farms owned by monopolies taking every cent they can away from the farmers, deregulation in general, voter suppression, the DARK MONEY behind all of it.
“Democrats negotiate against themselves with Trump at every turn, hoping to placate him, and, of course, never succeeding because his complaints are inherently unreasonable and not grounded in fact; he uses them as a ruse to avoid accountability for his misdeeds.”
Basta! Fartig! Enough! It’s totally pointless to placate these people.
Thank you. I loved reading this. You pull the threads together so eloquently and make the events of the day so much easier to understand.
"Bending over backwards to establish your good faith with people who have none of their own doesn’t work."
In January 2017 at the first Women's March, my sign said APPEASEMENT or IMPEACHMENT?
As a Stanford student I lived in Berlin in the early 1980s and studied that country's history and how fascism takes hold. Those studies informed my sign at the march and are why I strongly agree with Joyce's statements here!
All Biden’s homes and offices have been searched.
Only MAR specifically in search warrant was searched. What about the rest.
Trump tower and Bedminster should be searched too.
Still giving trump unwarranted slack.
Once again, thank you Joyce! I'm so tired of seeing officials pandering to the cons, liars and imo criminals (aka MAGAs) and treating the overwhelmingly truthful and honorable Dems as bad guys! It's gone far enough! Someone has to step up and firmly take charge! Indict the alledged criminals and leave us alone! I'm angry and our elected officials should be too and should sound like it! (And you're right, if Hunter is being investigated, Ivanka should be too! We don't know if Hunter has done anything questionable, but we sure know Ivanka has--she told us!)
I’m waiting to see CBS breathlessly report on the Pence news AM and PM for approximately 10 days, using fast cadence and important innuendo, before Garland caves to pressure and appoints another special counsel. This country has so many critical issues before it and the media spends its time beating the wrong issues to death instead of sparking accountability for the things that matter. I can barely watch a news program anymore.
Amen! This is about as fired up as I’ve ever seen you Joyce. No more BS. The whole trumper crowd, Fox, that basket of deplorable GARBAGE currently serving in Congress—will never be satisfied. Merrick Garland: “Just do it” already.
Can I just say thank god for Joyce Vance and her honest, clear-eyed way of cutting through the bs and spin and calling out the facts.
Hopefully Congress will take a serious look at the entire classification system as you suggest and act in the best interest of our country. Also the system for tracking who has access to classified information needs to be updated. An honor system doesn’t seem to be working for higher ups while lower tier employees would face serious consequences.
Slightly OT: I worked as a contractor for the Fed. A nobody in a headset. My FBI screening took an entire day. A colleague went to prison for taking and using client info. And yet we have the Santos, Greene, Gosar folks who seemingly got their little congressional lapel pins with no review whatsoever. We vet VP candidates for weeks prior to announcing a running mate. Why isn't anyone filtering out the stench before it even gets close to our Capitol? Why is the ONE PERSON we know stole documents not in prison, like any of us would be? Doesn't seem like it should fall to the media, but no area of government is stepping up. Just like online sleuths identified scores of J6 insurrectionists, I will be vetting as candidates emerge for the next cycle. I made nearly 15000 DNC calls prior to mid-terms. Next time, I will spend my time vetting everyone!
Seems that yet another system needs an overhaul!
I think the system is fine, it's the implementation that needs to be taken seriously by senior leaders/staff and by personnel. (I say this as someone who worked hard to communicate the importance of timely records management, and watched senior leaders and staff blow it off to the point that it took national direction for it to get cleaned up, and some of the records were 10 years out of date. Accountability. The rules are fine, it's the blowing off of responsibility that bugs me.
PS... Pence, Biden and Trump all had Chief's of Staff who should be on the hook for letting that happen.
The DOJ has been fiddling while Rome burns. The classified document debacle pales in contrast to the burning of the Bundestag from within. The insurrectionists in Congress should have been challenged much sooner. Now, we have a House of Representatives that has been turned into a little house of horrors with the very same insurrectionist in power and about to make a mockery of responsible governance.
Allowing the criminal and seditious behavior to go unchecked only emboldens the perpetrators and normalizes their behaviors.
This classified document stuff is beginning to sound like a bad joke...engineered by people trying to normalize Trumps behavior. All trumps properties need to be searched , as well as Ivanas grave.
Everyone needs to read "The Scheme" by Senator Sheldon Whitehouse on the capture of the Supreme Court by dark money! For me it is imperative now to make people aware of what Senator Whitehouse has put together that explains why the Extreme Court is no longer working for the People but for the plutocracy of a few men and corporations of the super rich. This is shaking me to the core. We need a Teddy Roosevelt to stop the monopolies and stop them reversing the New Deal and all our rights!
You can see the signs of all of this everywhere - the climate deniers funded by fossil fuel corporations, the shortage of baby formula because one company owns most of the production closed because of unsanitary conditions, the less than subsistence paychecks of workers and the demoralization of working in the corporate world, even the parking lots with cars that only come in white, black, gray and red colors (Give them any color they want as long as it is black. - Henry Ford), the reversal of environmental protection laws, farms owned by monopolies taking every cent they can away from the farmers, deregulation in general, voter suppression, the DARK MONEY behind all of it.
READ "THE SCHEME" by Senator Sheldon Whitehouse!
Joyce, I love how you knit these yarns together to make me a nice, warm blanket of explanation!
THIS!
“Democrats negotiate against themselves with Trump at every turn, hoping to placate him, and, of course, never succeeding because his complaints are inherently unreasonable and not grounded in fact; he uses them as a ruse to avoid accountability for his misdeeds.”
Basta! Fartig! Enough! It’s totally pointless to placate these people.