Im so disheartened over all of it. Im trying to remember the wonderful people I stood in line with for two hours at Avondale library. There are a lot of us who care about democracy but it sure feels like we’re a minority in this country right now. Sadly I think it has a lot to do with misogyny and racism. Kamala Harris is by far the most qualified candidate we have had in decades yet…. People voted for a narcissistic sociopath who clearly has dementia. Why. I don’t get it.
YES: MISOGYNY. That has been the theme over and over and over and over again in interviews with males -- of EVERY race: white, black, latinos. ALL of them. Their "concern"? "A woman is too emotional for the job." WTF??!!! WHO is "too emotional"??! I've had it. I really have.
Seriously- project 2025 is about control especially by oppressing women, creating fear of the other, dissension and polarization and making sure alternatives energy is harmed while the rich get richer and more powerful to control us. It’s truly insane that a majority would volunteer for such treatment and negative effect on our lives and that of our children and grandchildren.
Women can be just as misogynistic, racist, hateful & bigoted as a man. Plus, because they’re in the cult. They belong and want to continue belonging. They could be in a relationship that demands their obedience to what their partner wants. There are multiple reasons. None of it seems to make sense but the reasons are very real.
Their sons don't need any help with power - it's their daughters they need to worry about!! Let me know when a man dies from complications of pregnancy.
People in a cult truly believe that none of the bad stuff will ever happen to them or their children and grandchildren. They think that as long as they remain loyal to the cult and its leader they will be completely exempt for any of the bad stuff the leader promises to do to all those nasty others.
Reality is quite different of course. No one is safe and they will find that out but that’s no consolation to everyone who suffers and worse before their dear leader turns on them.
What is daunting is that it took a lot of people outside of the real cult to make this happen. Was it really the economy; immigration; or the limitations of such a short campaign for her? Or was it she is a woman or she’s a woman of color? She missed some opportunities because she wasn’t as battle fit given how late Biden dropped out. Still I think she ran a fantastic campaign. So what was it? Need to take a hard look at this. ( This is my second post, so I’ll stop here.)
"WHAT WAS IT?" The answer: it is a Hydra. "The Hydra had many heads on long necks, each able to move independently. When a head was cut off, two would grow back, making it difficult to count the total. The Hydra's venom and blood were poisonous." Sound familiar? Putin and the infiltration of our social media; Orban and Kim; Thiel, Musk, Murdoch (note: none of these are American) and Bezos; the takeover of our media by large corporations; Citizens United; SCOTUS and recent ruling that everything the Dictator (oops, I mean President) does is legal; neo-Nazis; Evangelical "christians". I invite everyone reading this to add to my list. (Seriously.)
I don’t think that this is about Trump. Nor Harris. It’s more about rejecting the ‘democracy’ we live in. Where young people are worse off than their parents. Where education doesn’t seem to benefit school leavers. Where people can’t afford to buy their own home. Nor food. And healthcare that bankrupts them.
But this isn’t just America - Europe is going through pretty much the same thing. Perhaps not so extreme as America, but still going down the same road.
People didn't vote for Trump - they voted Red in spite of him. A vote for Harris meant more of the same. Trump promised change, and the status quo is untenable for many people.
But I doubt that Trump will live to see his inauguration . . .
"A vote for Harris meant more of the same." That is completely false. The tragedy is that tens of millions of people believe that. They didn't bother to get all the information that is out there, read it, and then come to a sane decision. And that is why our once proud democracy will become a fascist dictatorship on Jan. 20, 2025. And it breaks my heart. (Are you implying that trump will be "done away with" before the inauguration? I've been figuring that he would make it through the inaug, and then they'd poison him so the maggots would think it was a natural death. If the 25th him -- the Amendment -- there. would. be. a. Re.vo.lu.tion. )
'Natural causes' would be good, but unreliable. 'Heart attacks' can be scheduled.
Trump will delegate running the nation to others, like Musk. He will leave Vance to implement Project 2025 while he exacts vengeance on his enemies. Problem for the GOP is that this could be quite disruptive and divisive. It would be very poor optics for Trump to be pardoning himself and getting the DoJ to dismiss all his cases. Widespread public unrest would likely ensue.
However, given a 'heart attack' all this distraction, and Trump's legal cases simply disappear with no fuss.
Another benefit would be that Trump's Russia problem (Putin) goes away, and the Pentagon and NATO can breathe a sigh of relief.
And while Trump lies in state Vance implements Project 2025.
I agree that "more of the same" is false. I didn't hear anything that sounded like more of the same. It sounded like new ideas. I know that at least one person, in the comments on one of these Substacks, wanted Harris to publicly break with Biden. I understood him, but pointed out that she still has to work with him until January 20. My heart is broken, too.
I read an article on "Raw Story" which reported that a large number of Democrats (in the know) are blaming Biden for Harris's loss. They said that it he had graciously acceded to a one-term Presidency back in January, then a "real" Democratic primary could have been held long before August, and perhaps having candidate without ties to Biden win (and thus in the awkward position of having to defend his policies, while simultaneously saying that she's "different"), things could have ended very differently today. I don't know if this would be the case, but it was a new thought to me.
What Harris offered was just rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic. Those that voted for Trump want a different system. One that allows them to prosper. Trump offered them something different - in 2016 he said that he would take a 'wrecking ball' to the government. And it was this that resonated with people. People want a different system to the one they have at the moment - where big money controls everything.
People are suffering - the younger generations cannot afford to buy a home. Higher education puts them in debt for the rest of their lives. Many - even those with steady jobs - can barely afford to feed their families. And woe betide a medical emergency. Bankruptcy.
But Trump's offer of change is an illusion. It will only aggregate more wealth to the wealthy. 'Trickle down economics' is a lie. If it were true then we would all be rich since the beginning of human history.
But that was the stark choice in this election - change, however poor, or more of the same.
Of course, Andy thats been the whole point! The one to be the most frightened of and put off by is Vance. No surprise there.
But the idea that "more of the same" - it takes more than four years to repair and fix all the mess of tffg's first four years. Especially when you have the Repubs in the House AND the Senate preventing these fixes!
Well, now we get to see all the wonderful fantastic things THIS bunch will do.
Many believe the same..Not so much he won't live to see the day but that once sworn in at one point they will diagnose him as unfit-remove him & place JDVance in his place..Now not too many people like him & I believe that if they could the party would prefer Mike Johnson who has been involved with a very aggressive alliance group that's in several country & their sole purpose is to take down Democracy..He acts mild but he's not & he knows the ropes of how to do it all
Trump having a 'heart attack' would be the best solution for the GOP. Removing him by 25A would be very messy, and would leave very many with the thought that they voted for a lunatic. However, a 'heart attack' would leave him a martyr to his faithful, and wouldn't be questioned by many. His grueling schedule, exhaustion and the cocktail of drugs he was taking would be blamed. A nice, clean hero's ending.
Not saying this will come to pass - just one extrapolation of current events.
I've thought that for a long time. The 25th would infuriate the maggots (and they do have those millions of AK-47's, Pug Leaders, let's not forget). But poison -- (pukin could serve as their advisor, if need be) -- would work just fine.
As you say, the same things going on in America are happening in Europe. So WHY are we going down the fascistic route? Forgive me if you already read this post, but I wrote what I think are the actual reasons for this horrific path our nation is about to go. "The Hydra had many heads on long necks, each able to move independently. When a head was cut off, two would grow back, making it difficult to count the total. The Hydra's venom and blood were poisonous." Sound familiar? Putin and the infiltration of our social media; Orban and Kim; Thiel, Musk, Murdoch (note: none of these are American) and Bezos; the takeover of our media by large corporations; Citizens United; SCOTUS and recent ruling that everything the Dictator (oops, I mean President) does is legal; neo-Nazis; Evangelical "christians". I invite everyone reading this to add to my list. (Seriously.)
Sadly, it was all of the things that you listed plus the pollsters were horribly wrong in their understanding of some parts of the population... especially Hispanic men.
We missed an opportunity for our country and the world in not electing 'la! She could have leaned more on her life as a prosecutor that made her quite fit for battle; but that's old news now.
What is so unbelievable is the very people groups that trump & party spit in their faces with degrading filthy words who should have been beyond insulted & madden - voted for him..the States & counties that trump & party trashed with filty acquisitions etc - they came back & voted hands down for them all..So proud they feel about it all..they won..not only won its like tsunami that covered the entire country!..So let them dance I say because if trumps words of promises to get rid of the Constitution-voting-military take over-forced religious nationalism & Project 2025 -Ukraine give away-complete wipe out of the Gaza strip & more & if that's not enough withdrawal from the UN & belong instead to this new Russia Alliance!..But here's where it get real for these so called Americans..The social security that so many of u-ur eldery family members rely on will be taken from u..not to mention healthcare..u thought nothing of the women's health when the Republicans stripped them of theres..that some died because well heck that doesn't concern u - well the women who love trump r really in for a reality check! - oh & those who have jobs & union jobs..lolol..trump & party r union busters..They r now in control of ur entire life!
What u did is sold ur freedom for a so called better economy & cheaper gas..I'm not even going to wish u good luck because u r & will deserve absolutely everything that's coming ur way & when u finally decide to stand up for ur rights - remember this - u sold ur rights to make America great again!
I have said repeatedly that we have ourselves to blame. Our leaders have failed us. Joe Biden refused to stop the herds for pouring over the border and I detested it even though I didn’t suddenly go MAGA. Others did, however. We made an art form of blaming each other for the sins of the past. I’m tired of being called privileged as the literature says. But it hasn’t made me go MAGA. Our own party under Bill Clinton signed into law NAFTA thereby rendering millions unemployed — the very group that fell into the MAGA hands.
Did you really think we might win? I have been sick with anxiety for many months. It was only after seeing Rick Wilson's final ad for the LP, "West Wing", that I began to feel a sense of hope.
I have been on the fence from the beginning trying to figure out the reasons for such a detached break down & all that kept coming back to me is we r now on the runaway train that in the end was going to crash & we were going to start to face the most painful of lessons - living without the gift of freedom..The very gift the founding fathers design for us all..The founding fathers didn't have high education they had life lived experiences with governments & kingdoms & they wanted us to have a better life..if we could keep it.."For the people-By the people" yep well after generations fought to keep it we slowly became to busy being free & recklessly kept handing r freedoms over to politicians that took the honor to serve & turned it into very lucrative careers..even if they didn't produce the promises they campaigned on - we continue to reward them with r votes..hey we were too busy being free to care..There's so much more but I'm done saying..it's over & I can hardly wait for reality to check in..Constitution-GONE - benefits-social security-GONE - union jobs-GONE & slowly the reality that even on its worse day America was already great..we just had to stand up for it & protect it & make sure ALL RIGHTS STOOD FOR EVERYONE - NOT THE FEW..BUT WE WERE TOO BUSY BEING FREE🤷♀️
We can still fight. My bellicose statements are sincere yet I am brimming with fear and cowardice, counting on that extra ounce of patriotism to enable me to fight the good fight should life come to that.
I really thought that Vice President Harris would win by five-to-seven percentage points in the popular vote and earn well over three hundred votes in the Electoral College. Well, that weapons training I got twenty years ago before going to Iraq may prove to be useful after all. I thought I had I had little left to mourn; I was wrong.
I felt crawling-out-of-my-skin anxious for many months, until the past two days, after I saw Rick Wilson's final ad. Before that, I had zero hope. Amazing how your sentence about being comfortable around military weapons actually feels good to hear. Imagine how insane that would have sounded -- what? a decade ago? Before the orange sadist showed his repulsive mug to the world. I still can't believe this has happened. I feel so sick.
Can I join ya? My one inherited long rifle from papa, a a single action 1896 Springfield rifle, is just a ‘wait in’ to be used to Make America Great Again.
This is the reality of what is happening in our nation right now. I referred by to the definition of the hydra, and found this: "The Hydra had many heads on long necks, each able to move independently. When a head was cut off, two would grow back, making it difficult to count the total. The Hydra's venom and blood were poisonous." Sound familiar? Putin and the infiltration of our social media; Orban and Kim; Thiel, Musk, Murdoch (note: none of these are American) and Bezos; the takeover of our media by large corporations; Citizens United; SCOTUS and recent ruling that everything the Dictator (oops, I mean President) does is legal; neo-Nazis; Evangelical "christians". I invite everyone reading this to add to my list. (Seriously.)
Thanks! (I reread what you wrote about the two candidates being "the same". So many -- intelligent! educated! men! -- used that phrase. It never failed to astound me. I thought you were saying it as a fact. I realize that you were actually saying that was what tens of millions of voters actually believe.)
As a 77 yr. old Mexican I have been exposed to the misogony Hispanic males my whole life. That is where "macho" came from. They and other cultures are so insecure in their "manhood" that women have to resort to being physical. We all remember Ellena Bobbit (?) after she got feed up with her husband's macho actions. We know this is not unique to Blacks and HIspanics, we have seen Islam dominated countries treatment of women
Frankly they are also threatened that we live longer.
I recently read a novel about Rome, with graphic detail about the sadistic "entertainment" that people enjoyed there. When I watch the maggots at his rally, I feel like I am seeing those people in the Roman Coliseum.
What’s even more disheartening is that none of this - not one second of America’s dark future - has been hidden: It’s all been out there since the beginning.
All of it. And now that the maggots have gained power, we can rest assured that all textbooks will be wiped clean of information about the destruction of the lives of all of the First People. Of slavery. Of lynching. Of domestic abuse not being a crime. It will all be disappeared.
The narcissistic sociopath is only their face.The money (oligarchy) was the cause of the civil war. Jim Crow was the model for the Nazis.This is an ongoing threat that has existed fascisticly for at least 100 years. Thay have been diligently working to pull off the coup by having it voted in, as well as indicted real attempts in 1939 and a few years earlier. We have been asleep at the wheel, resting on our laurels since the victories in the 60s and early 70s and completely missed the oil slick at the curve. Peter Thiel and others poured the oil.
I've been saying this for months. I won't be surprised when the Project 2025 creators use the 25th Amendment to kick Trompe out within a year and put JD in to complete his term and then Vance will run for his own term.
While I feel badly for Vice President Harris and Governor Walz, I grieve for the young people of this country. What a different place with a different horizon ahead for them than it was for me almost fifty years ago.
Oh yeah u believe that also?..I've been saying that they r using trump to win..once he wins & has been sworn in & some time has passed they will deem him unfit & have him removed & place JDVance in his place!..& trump will not have to go to prison & Melania can continue to collect her checks & actually move out of the W.H. for good..That will make her so happy..she hates it all!
I doubt very much the orange felon rapist will make it to 4 years due to his dementia and possibly Alzheimer’s . And then JD Vance will take over and complete project 2025. We can’t even begin to impeach him until 2026 due to the majority in the house and senate. With the Russians meddling with the scare of bombs in Georgia, like Joyce Vance said it scared the voters away. With ifs and buts for the how’s and whys, we’d all be celebrating Kamala Harris as the winner.
Well my wishcraft seduced me one too many times. No point in hoping that Shady J.D. is really a sheep in wolf's clothing. Aaron Burr was not; Alcibiades was not; Napoleon was not. Time for me to re-read my warning from me to me dated eight and a half years ago.
Ned, my one hope is that on election day morning, Trump sounded more rationa, still lying out his ass, but more rational than I've ever heard him sound. It's almost like a weight has been lifted from his shoulders and he was off the anti-anxiety drugs. If that stress-free Trump stays, the Vance will stay VP. Of course, I don't know which is worse.
Even more disheartening is the apparent support given to Trump by white women voters. Until the votes came in, it was assumed there would be a switch in this demographic due to abortion prohibitions and Trump's criminal behavior toward women. As Joyce wrote, it is an additional outrage that Russia continues to play Trump to the detriment of our nation.
Will it be worthless when a national abortion ban is in place? I imagine the Supreme Farce would rule with Traitor should Missouri or any other state that has voted for a constitutional amendment try to defend their amendment.
I recall trump saying something at one point about how it matters what the evangelicals give him in return for passing a ban so everything including values can be negotiated with him or rewarded or punished by him. We will see. what can the wayward in my religion give this anti Christ who will continue to reveal his insides to the outside world? Vitriol will spew especially on those closest to him who don’t know how to break free until their own integrity just cannot take it. Mike Johnson will be tested. So far he flunks.
I truly believe most of them don't get it either (which is not an excuse for their behavior). They let their confusion, fear, anger, and ignorant & misinformed emotions control what they do to the detriment of everyone else on this planet (including animals and the eco system). And Trump counts on that stupidity, it's beyond tragic and obscene.
TJ, you are so right. I suppose when the MAGA House repeals their healthcare; when their grocery bills go up due to tariffs & China retaliates by not buying our grain; & even more sadly, when they know a friend or relative’s child dying from denied medical care if they are pregnant-maybe then we can pierce that shell of ignorance. But it will be too late for many Americans. I am in such despair.
TJ, Trump recognized that the snowflakes on the right are more numerous than the snowflakes on the left. That's who he played to. As long as his wealth can keep growing, he really doesn't care
I’m awake with you in California. It’s devastating. I retired in 2021. I have looked forward to peaceful golden years. I’m afraid Trump will turn the USA over to Putin.
I retired and hoped for peace, too. That hope is over. All women will now be fair game for the orange turd and his hoodlum pals, who are free to rape the planet, the women, the men, the children--we are going to be alive to see the death of our beautiful planet as a place that can support life. All of this is because of greed and stupidity, largely the complete stupidity of the American people. What SHIT.
Pray for the apocalypse NOW. Put this planet out of its misery—-no point in prolonging the torture of the innocents. The greedy billionaires don’t know it, but all their money will be useless as they destroy that which they so ruthlessly abuse.
I don't pray, as it's useless to petition some invisible friend for favors. But yes, in a way it would be good to wipe out all life at once and let the planet heal. However, I DON'T WANT THE CATS TO DIE!!
I have no hope either.....totally gone. But as a person in my 60s, I hope to be gone before the worst comes to be. And there is nothing any of us can do about it. I live in Trump's America and DeSantis's Florida: helpless and hopeless.
Keep some bit of hope because there are a lot of us who are NOT going back and NOT quitting. I am 75 and there ARE some things we can do, which I am working on.
1. We can donate to non-profits that help women, the poor, and the hungry.
2. We can read books that analyze our situation and suggest ways to act. Anne Applebaum's book _Autocracy, Inc._ is a good place to start.
3. We can keep in touch with each other and support each other's efforts. We can't stop global warming, but we can at least cut down our energy use and find ways to live that are less deadly to the planet.
I am not completely hopeless, but I do think that there is very little we can do now to stop the warming and the rise in ocean height and temperature. I suspect that a lot more species will be going extinct; we just deserve that more than any species on this beautiful blue planet.
Well that weapons training I received before I went to Iraq in 2004 may come in handy. I will fight. Hopefully, President Biden will finish off the gangster régime in Ukraine. There may well be a military coup. Not tanks rolling up to the portico, but senior military leaders belaying orders. G-D, to think our democracy may be dead and we have all those nukes.
Ned, I have been wondering how the the military…the real military…will respond to Trump’s/Flynn’s orders. I also can easily conjure a situation where all these Proud Boy-adjacent yahoos —who need no longer target practice between now and January 6–will soon be assuming backup/ leading roles in the dark plans for retribution and rounding up immigrants…legal and unpaid and unpapered.
Now I know what Willy Brandt felt in 1933. President Biden has three months to round up the militias in the U.S. and to flush the Red Army from Ukraine.
As long as he garbs his actions in matters of national security. Look for a gentle coup, if Trump goes crazy -- meaning the military will belay orders. ln fact, I wish the military would test the waters by subjecting Trump as C.inC. to a court-martial. It would likely go absolutely nowhere in appeals to the courts, but the gesture may enforce restraint upon a mentally impaired leader and his right-wingnut side-kick (who will be worse).
Will be interesting to learn the extent to which the military maintained their customary republiCON voting record despite the warnings of their leadership. With Fox indoctrination in every military installation, there must have been quite a struggle of conscience .
OK, so now they will have 2 years to prove themselves on policy. If they do well, I will be more than happy to pull the feathers out of my teeth, but if not, the BLUE WAVE will come.
Way too much damage will have been inflicted to be corrected. Alito and Thomas will immediately resign from the SCOTUS, to be replaced by the likes of Aileen Cannon - (wait for it) who will be there for years. If they implement the plan to replace 40-50K federal workers with “their people” that will never be able to be fixed. And how would they “un-deport” milions of people?
It's truly shocking -- and I mean that in not only the mental sense, but also the physical -- that all the demons of Hell have truly been unleashed. "CRY 'HAVOC!' AND LET SLIP THE DOGS OF WAR!!" (Julius Caesar, Act III, Scene 1.)
I started to panic after he won in 2016. Timothy Snyder told us we have about 1 year. We blew it. Then I thought maybe the egregious mishandling of Covid would do it and we did get Biden. Then it seemed like there were actually enough normal Republicans repulse by the insurrection and his methodical and widespread attempts to overthrow the election but nope. Somehow in this alternate reality I don't recognize, that seems to have increased his appeal and even more people are ready to throw away more than half the populations rights as well as our democracy.
I, too, was terrified when the orange sadist was elected in 2016. (Strangely, the first time I ever saw him, as he descended down that fake-golden escalator with melania, I suddenly saw Hitler standing there, and said so out loud. Everyone thought I was crazy.) I have been enduring these nearly 10 years, thinking that I would only stay in this country if a Democrat was elected in 2024. I honestly think we would have won if our candidate had been a white male. It infuriates me to say that, but I hate to say that I'm coming to believe it is true. Your statement that "even more people are ready to THROW AWAY MORE THAN HALF THE POPULATION'S RIGHTS as as well as our democracy" rings loud and true to my ears. Just like what happened in the Third Reich. The voices of majority were increasingly drowned out but the ferocity of the minority, until they were stilled altogether.
YES. Putin, Orbach, and the orange turd are already planning ways to fuck over what's left of our democracy and the "supreme" court will help in every way. It's the end of decency and the beginning of the real fight not only for our democracy, but democracy around the planet and indeed the planet itself.
This hits home for us expats living in Europe in the shadow of the Ukraine war. My heart goes out to Ukrainians this morning..their noble struggle has just got so much steeper.
Yes. In an aside from my side of the Atlantic, the new NATO members like Sweden and Finland have ceded jurisdiction of their military bases to NATO. I wonder if they would have done so do readily if they read these tea leaves. I sort of hope Trump does cut ties and in the interest of getting Europe to step up its own game.
"It's the end of decency and the beginning of the real fight not only for our democracy, but democracy around the planet and indeed the planet itself." Chilling. True.
I'm concerned that those places that were starting to lose their democracy are now looking at the US and saying "let's go". Will we see a wave across the world?
Traitor will implement his revenge plan and consolidate his power immediately. As predicted when it was just a possibility, a new Traitor presidency will have NO guardrails.
You are assuming we will be allowed to have future elections. And, if so, will they be as well governed as in other authoritarian countries? Will Putin allow……..?
tRump is just a loud mouthed carnival barker who was allowed to put his golden name on an evil secret society designed and slowly injected into the nation by the oligarchs of the Heritage Foundation, Federalist Society, white supremacists, and christian nationalists. They have been molding this takeover since the 1930’s.
Same and I’m not up there now. NC bled red but did elect a Democratic governor. Haven’t heard about any of the other races there but we’re so gerrymandered I fear for the other offices.
We also elected a Democratic Attorney General, Jeff Jackson. The combination of Stein and Jackson gives me a sliver of hope for our state in this otherwise appalling evening.
For me it's for what's the rest of my lifetime, and more horrifying to me is the impact for my daughters, grandchildren and whatever children they may have. We are leaving them a terrible legacy.
That’s wonderful news! I’ve supported Jeff since his run for Congress and he wasn’t even going to be my representative. I saw where Michelle Morris was defeated as well but nothing about Jeff. Thanks for the bright spot of news.
The 50 years of planning from the far right Heritage Foundation and ALEC have finally given them all the power, and they are determined that none of us will ever have any power over our own bodies, laws, planet, air, water, land, or anything. The broligarchs will enrich themselves enormously with taxes paid by all of us, cut SS, get rid of Medicare, and laugh in our faces with their contempt. Just wait until Elon Musk makes government more "efficient." IF you thought the Nazis were bad, you are in for a terrible, terrible, shock.
OK, now, GET MOVING TO WORK WITH ANY ORGANIZATION YOU CAN THAT WILL FIGHT THIS SHIT. I'm attending an Indivisible Zoom tonight; check it out! Talk to your neighbors and politically compatible friends about what you can do in your town or city to see that the poor and hungry and homeless are not dying in the streets because of the orange turd, and women are not dying of ectopic pregnancies and sepsis at the doors of an emergency room. TESTOSTERONE POISONING IS A TERRIBLE THING!
I have the same sinking feeling in my heart that I had when Hillary Clinton lost eight years ago.
Our country is going to be set back 100 years and we will be stuck not only with Trump, but also RFK and Elon Musk, being controlled by puppeteer Peter Thiel. It appears the billionaires have won. Thanks Citizens United…ugh
Yes, the deplorables, the garbage people, the lazy and greedy and prejudiced and stupid and narcissistic ones who have taken over what used to be our democracy.
Don’t forget to specifically thank John Taney - oops, I mean John Roberts and his court for Citizens United. He sold America to the highest bigger with CU - and damn well knew what he was doing. Getting rid of CU should have been the absolute priority since then but Corporate Democrats were okay with it. More money for them - raking it in with one hand while giving high faluting speeches with the other hand pointing about emphatically as if to strengthen that empty speech.
I am more willing to believe Russia rigged this entire election than I am that Trump's dystopia won in an actual landslide vote by real people. But I clearly continue to give people credit for not seeking their own destruction when clearly I am wrong. I see our weakened institutions failing within six to 12 months, along with social security and health care being taken away and a stock market collapse (not just a crash) and deep recession from which most of us do not recover. Mad Max is here.
We have just joined Russia, China, North Korea, Iran. And we will end up looking like Ukraine and Gaza. Because that is what dystopian dictatorships DO.
I truly do not see any light anywhere for America and possibly the world.
I'm sorry Ken, no excuses., no philosophy... this was mass suicide. Common sense told us to check the other box. We chose the death of democracy, a chain-gang mentality. A true tragedy, self inflicted.
There’s not much to say except I am disappointed, so disappointed, that so many of my fellow countrymen, appear to so devoid of discernment and knowledge to think Donald Trump suitable as our president, again.
I dread waking up tomorrow morning to the same news as in 2016. How can it be that the majority of Americans want a fascist government with a cruel and mentally incompetent leader. Have we voted for the last time?
Lynne, I remember that morning so well; it was horrific and I had to teach that day. The high school where I worked was in heavy mourning all day. My students couldn't believe anyone would vote for such a hateful racist, misogynist. Trump is worse now and I am sure the high school students who care are still wondering how anyone could hate this country so much as to vote for Trump and Kump.
This Marylander doesn't feel like teaching today either ! ! What a sad day for all who believe in honesty, fairness, brotherhood, respect, rational discourse, and freedom.
Jean, it is a tough day. I got the feeling of how things were going to go when I heard the scoreboard guy on MSNBC saying nothing, but trying to say something about the votes coming in. I am not surprised. I have known for decades just how misogynistic our nation is, permitting rapists to keep on raping pretty much at will unless the victim was rich and white. We have allowed men to determine what our reproduction will be because they want control, not to support any pregnant women or children born of the pregnancies. We are a super racist lot too, not only permitting slavery for more than 2 centuries, but letting Jim Crow murder thousands of Black Americans and any supporters with impunity for a century beyond supposed freedom. We have permitted schoolyard bullying almost without consequence in many places, "boys will be boys" and other such BS. Those who voted for Trump and Kump think he will help them. He may throw a few crumbs their way, but he despises them all and got the votes he needed to do as much destruction to this nation as we will permit and I am guessing from this election, we will permit a lot, letting a jerk like Musk run things, RFK, Jr. run our medical system, and whatever other incompetent jerk Trump and Kump can find to spit on our people. Yay America! I am trying to guess how long it will be before Trump and Kump tank our economy and let Musk and his rich immigrant friends buy it up. We all lost yesterday, but only the Harris supporters know it yet.
I took today off. I just knew I wouldn’t be able to concentrate at work today. My mental health took such a hit last time he was in office, waking up each day wondering what he had rage tweeted at 3 am or done since I was last awake. I just don’t know what is wrong with half of the country. They know what they’re getting this time around and they’re here for it. If they think they’re safe from trump’s worst impulses, they’re in for a surprise. I hope it backfires spectacularly on his uneducated and un/ill-informed base. I know we’re supposed to love our neighbor but I’m finding it difficult today. I hate everyone who voted for trump right now.
we gave them way to much credit. We thought they would understand reason and welcome an alternative. Now we are even more divided. I keep wondering who
SD Reader, there are a lot of them out here, our neighbors, family members, and friends as well as strangers of all kinds. They drank the Kool-Ade and we will all pay.
SD Reader, and, we get to thank our media platforms and Russia again for their intense work to make sure people, vulnerable people would believe Trump is fine, that hating everyone who is not him is good, and presenting Harris as just a woman, nothing special is acceptable. Well done media. I hope you feel the pain of what you have done. You learned nothing from 2016. I bet you learned nothing this year either. Disgusting!
Hate to think of what will happen to women's rights, future elections, judicial appointments, no justice for Trump, released Jan 6 prisoners, RFK Jr. and Elon Musk with their hands on our lives, Johnson gloating in the House, Social Security, health care, global warming/environment, Ukraine, Russia/China/N Korea. And JD Vance ... On some level I never believed Harris could win; she is a woman and not pure white either. The conservative men just won't have it. What a disappointment to know what the majority of Americans really want. It's not the economy; that is an excuse. Having a dark night; going to bed.
We will not have the Affordable Care Act. We will have thugs in office. I wrote to Governor Newsom and asked him to declare CA as leaving the Union. Sounds nuts but I am dead serious!
I worry for my grandchildren, who may be swept up in a civil war. I find it impossible to believe that this country will become a fascist state, but if T**** wins, that will happen. And the only way to stop it is going to cost a lot of lives.
It stuns me that Mexico just elected their first woman president and yet not enough people in this country can deal with it. I shudder to think of Elon Musk, RFK and Steven Miller running things, because the Dumpster Fire just cares about staying out of jail and using his power to fatten his coffers.
I want to say there are no gods nor goddesses who will save us. We worked hard but Putin won…again. We have to accept the fact that the people in our country are mean and full of hate. They totally accepted J6 as being a “love affair” and not an insurrection. When diseases come back, may they all drink bleach.
women's rights - will be diminished more and more if not demolished completely. Women may even lose the right to vote.
future elections - will not exist as we know it. They will take place but the winner will have been predetermined. Because we will still have elections we will “look” like a democracy but in fact won’t be one.
judicial appointments - that’s a no brainer. The rule of law will cease to exist. That is unless it’s Trump’s rules of what the law should be.
Judicial appointments will be for those who bow to trump
no justice for Trump - yup once again he’ll not be held accountable
released Jan 6 prisoners -will empower them.
RFK Jr. - goodbye vaccines, the FDA, the NIH, the CDC
Elon Musk - god knows what that nutcase has in store for us.
Johnson gloating in the House - his dream of a Christian Nation coming to fruition
Social Security - were fucked there. It’ll be privatized and/ or the money sucked out of it for some other purpose. Maybe even to line Trumps pockets.
health care - ACA gone. Insurance companies can do whatever they want to deny care for anybody for any reason
global warming/environment - free reign for those who want to exploit the environment for profit. Watch out. Our National Parks could be on the chopping block.
Ukraine - dead, gone…. Will no longer exist. Russia takes over.
Russia - will be invited to participate in the USA both politically if not physically. It wouldn’t be surprising to find Russian troops on American soil some day carrying out Trump’s wishes if not what Putin wants Trump to do.
China - who the fuck knows.
N Korea. - who knows there as well but imagine:
The “quad-axis” that seeks to rule the world - Putin, Xi, Kim Jong, Trump
If it weren’t for the concerted efforts of so many folks who have thrown themselves into the work of preserving our democracy, I would have reached the point of abject hopelessness. As it is, I am in despair, astonished at the level to which the American people have sunk and find myself utterly unable to imagine how we will cope going forward. What more can we possibly do?
I'm in shock! What has happened to this country? Haven't we had enough of this horrible human being and all that he represents? I pray I wake up and see a miracle tomorrow. I had so much hope. :(
It won’t be allowed once the Department of Education converts to the Department of Indoctrination and Morality, but our schools should have encouraged more teachings about this country’s birth, cruel ascension over the souls of Native Americans and imported slaves, the honorable principles put forth by the Founding Fathers, the Civil War, our underbelly of support of Jim Crowe and admiration of Adolf Hitler in the 1930s, the “hollier -than-thou” rise of christian nationalism, the sacrifice of equality to the wealthy corporate master, etc. Ignorance dooms us to the return to past evils.
And mountains of gratitude for the heart and soul poured into an ignorant undeserving populace by Kamala Harris——-truly one of the most intelligent, compassionate, generous beings walking this sad planet.
Im so disheartened over all of it. Im trying to remember the wonderful people I stood in line with for two hours at Avondale library. There are a lot of us who care about democracy but it sure feels like we’re a minority in this country right now. Sadly I think it has a lot to do with misogyny and racism. Kamala Harris is by far the most qualified candidate we have had in decades yet…. People voted for a narcissistic sociopath who clearly has dementia. Why. I don’t get it.
YES: MISOGYNY. That has been the theme over and over and over and over again in interviews with males -- of EVERY race: white, black, latinos. ALL of them. Their "concern"? "A woman is too emotional for the job." WTF??!!! WHO is "too emotional"??! I've had it. I really have.
Seriously- project 2025 is about control especially by oppressing women, creating fear of the other, dissension and polarization and making sure alternatives energy is harmed while the rich get richer and more powerful to control us. It’s truly insane that a majority would volunteer for such treatment and negative effect on our lives and that of our children and grandchildren.
Why? Why would any woman vote for him?
Women can be just as misogynistic, racist, hateful & bigoted as a man. Plus, because they’re in the cult. They belong and want to continue belonging. They could be in a relationship that demands their obedience to what their partner wants. There are multiple reasons. None of it seems to make sense but the reasons are very real.
Seriously. This is a serious question about values including valuing ourselves apparently.
I'll say it again.
Those women think they are holding into power for their sons.
https://x.com/MindaHarts/status/1854050295816347988?t=kMScAMAIp9l_IMRp8NHktQ&s=19
That is creepy in the extreme. #Handmaid'sTale #Gilead
Because they believe they are holding onto power for their sons.
https://x.com/MindaHarts/status/1854050295816347988?t=kMScAMAIp9l_IMRp8NHktQ&s=19
Their sons don't need any help with power - it's their daughters they need to worry about!! Let me know when a man dies from complications of pregnancy.
I'm not the one to whom you need to tell that.
All of this is fear driven.
And fear inducing...
Indeed.
People in a cult truly believe that none of the bad stuff will ever happen to them or their children and grandchildren. They think that as long as they remain loyal to the cult and its leader they will be completely exempt for any of the bad stuff the leader promises to do to all those nasty others.
Reality is quite different of course. No one is safe and they will find that out but that’s no consolation to everyone who suffers and worse before their dear leader turns on them.
This is going to be a bumpy ride learning by the consequences of a government of hard knocks
It’s spelled r-u-s-s-i-a
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Hi Mary Pat! Cousin Mike's wife here!!
They are clueless about all of it.
Women evidently voted for him in large numbers. White women, so it's been reported. Margaret Atwood was prescient, sadly.
I'm really glad that I'm not one of the stupid white women. I thought Kamala was wonderful, and just what our country needs. I still do think that.
He is going to protect women whether we like it or not.
What is daunting is that it took a lot of people outside of the real cult to make this happen. Was it really the economy; immigration; or the limitations of such a short campaign for her? Or was it she is a woman or she’s a woman of color? She missed some opportunities because she wasn’t as battle fit given how late Biden dropped out. Still I think she ran a fantastic campaign. So what was it? Need to take a hard look at this. ( This is my second post, so I’ll stop here.)
"WHAT WAS IT?" The answer: it is a Hydra. "The Hydra had many heads on long necks, each able to move independently. When a head was cut off, two would grow back, making it difficult to count the total. The Hydra's venom and blood were poisonous." Sound familiar? Putin and the infiltration of our social media; Orban and Kim; Thiel, Musk, Murdoch (note: none of these are American) and Bezos; the takeover of our media by large corporations; Citizens United; SCOTUS and recent ruling that everything the Dictator (oops, I mean President) does is legal; neo-Nazis; Evangelical "christians". I invite everyone reading this to add to my list. (Seriously.)
I don’t think that this is about Trump. Nor Harris. It’s more about rejecting the ‘democracy’ we live in. Where young people are worse off than their parents. Where education doesn’t seem to benefit school leavers. Where people can’t afford to buy their own home. Nor food. And healthcare that bankrupts them.
But this isn’t just America - Europe is going through pretty much the same thing. Perhaps not so extreme as America, but still going down the same road.
People didn't vote for Trump - they voted Red in spite of him. A vote for Harris meant more of the same. Trump promised change, and the status quo is untenable for many people.
But I doubt that Trump will live to see his inauguration . . .
Prepare for President Vance.
"President Vance." Terrifying.
"A vote for Harris meant more of the same." That is completely false. The tragedy is that tens of millions of people believe that. They didn't bother to get all the information that is out there, read it, and then come to a sane decision. And that is why our once proud democracy will become a fascist dictatorship on Jan. 20, 2025. And it breaks my heart. (Are you implying that trump will be "done away with" before the inauguration? I've been figuring that he would make it through the inaug, and then they'd poison him so the maggots would think it was a natural death. If the 25th him -- the Amendment -- there. would. be. a. Re.vo.lu.tion. )
I think he means his health and deteriorating mental status.
'Natural causes' would be good, but unreliable. 'Heart attacks' can be scheduled.
Trump will delegate running the nation to others, like Musk. He will leave Vance to implement Project 2025 while he exacts vengeance on his enemies. Problem for the GOP is that this could be quite disruptive and divisive. It would be very poor optics for Trump to be pardoning himself and getting the DoJ to dismiss all his cases. Widespread public unrest would likely ensue.
However, given a 'heart attack' all this distraction, and Trump's legal cases simply disappear with no fuss.
Another benefit would be that Trump's Russia problem (Putin) goes away, and the Pentagon and NATO can breathe a sigh of relief.
And while Trump lies in state Vance implements Project 2025.
I agree that "more of the same" is false. I didn't hear anything that sounded like more of the same. It sounded like new ideas. I know that at least one person, in the comments on one of these Substacks, wanted Harris to publicly break with Biden. I understood him, but pointed out that she still has to work with him until January 20. My heart is broken, too.
I read an article on "Raw Story" which reported that a large number of Democrats (in the know) are blaming Biden for Harris's loss. They said that it he had graciously acceded to a one-term Presidency back in January, then a "real" Democratic primary could have been held long before August, and perhaps having candidate without ties to Biden win (and thus in the awkward position of having to defend his policies, while simultaneously saying that she's "different"), things could have ended very differently today. I don't know if this would be the case, but it was a new thought to me.
What Harris offered was just rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic. Those that voted for Trump want a different system. One that allows them to prosper. Trump offered them something different - in 2016 he said that he would take a 'wrecking ball' to the government. And it was this that resonated with people. People want a different system to the one they have at the moment - where big money controls everything.
People are suffering - the younger generations cannot afford to buy a home. Higher education puts them in debt for the rest of their lives. Many - even those with steady jobs - can barely afford to feed their families. And woe betide a medical emergency. Bankruptcy.
But Trump's offer of change is an illusion. It will only aggregate more wealth to the wealthy. 'Trickle down economics' is a lie. If it were true then we would all be rich since the beginning of human history.
But that was the stark choice in this election - change, however poor, or more of the same.
And many people find the status quo is untenable.
I think you may be right about why Trump won. Sadly, people are looking in the wrong place for solutions.
Faux News.
Of course, Andy thats been the whole point! The one to be the most frightened of and put off by is Vance. No surprise there.
But the idea that "more of the same" - it takes more than four years to repair and fix all the mess of tffg's first four years. Especially when you have the Repubs in the House AND the Senate preventing these fixes!
Well, now we get to see all the wonderful fantastic things THIS bunch will do.
I can hardly wait!
Project 2025 is our future starting January 20.
Many believe the same..Not so much he won't live to see the day but that once sworn in at one point they will diagnose him as unfit-remove him & place JDVance in his place..Now not too many people like him & I believe that if they could the party would prefer Mike Johnson who has been involved with a very aggressive alliance group that's in several country & their sole purpose is to take down Democracy..He acts mild but he's not & he knows the ropes of how to do it all
Trump having a 'heart attack' would be the best solution for the GOP. Removing him by 25A would be very messy, and would leave very many with the thought that they voted for a lunatic. However, a 'heart attack' would leave him a martyr to his faithful, and wouldn't be questioned by many. His grueling schedule, exhaustion and the cocktail of drugs he was taking would be blamed. A nice, clean hero's ending.
Not saying this will come to pass - just one extrapolation of current events.
I've thought that for a long time. The 25th would infuriate the maggots (and they do have those millions of AK-47's, Pug Leaders, let's not forget). But poison -- (pukin could serve as their advisor, if need be) -- would work just fine.
As you say, the same things going on in America are happening in Europe. So WHY are we going down the fascistic route? Forgive me if you already read this post, but I wrote what I think are the actual reasons for this horrific path our nation is about to go. "The Hydra had many heads on long necks, each able to move independently. When a head was cut off, two would grow back, making it difficult to count the total. The Hydra's venom and blood were poisonous." Sound familiar? Putin and the infiltration of our social media; Orban and Kim; Thiel, Musk, Murdoch (note: none of these are American) and Bezos; the takeover of our media by large corporations; Citizens United; SCOTUS and recent ruling that everything the Dictator (oops, I mean President) does is legal; neo-Nazis; Evangelical "christians". I invite everyone reading this to add to my list. (Seriously.)
Please stop screaming
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His VP is even SCARIER!! we are in need of an INTERVENTION!!!
Even worse than Trump!
Sadly, it was all of the things that you listed plus the pollsters were horribly wrong in their understanding of some parts of the population... especially Hispanic men.
We missed an opportunity for our country and the world in not electing 'la! She could have leaned more on her life as a prosecutor that made her quite fit for battle; but that's old news now.
I'm with u!...
What is so unbelievable is the very people groups that trump & party spit in their faces with degrading filthy words who should have been beyond insulted & madden - voted for him..the States & counties that trump & party trashed with filty acquisitions etc - they came back & voted hands down for them all..So proud they feel about it all..they won..not only won its like tsunami that covered the entire country!..So let them dance I say because if trumps words of promises to get rid of the Constitution-voting-military take over-forced religious nationalism & Project 2025 -Ukraine give away-complete wipe out of the Gaza strip & more & if that's not enough withdrawal from the UN & belong instead to this new Russia Alliance!..But here's where it get real for these so called Americans..The social security that so many of u-ur eldery family members rely on will be taken from u..not to mention healthcare..u thought nothing of the women's health when the Republicans stripped them of theres..that some died because well heck that doesn't concern u - well the women who love trump r really in for a reality check! - oh & those who have jobs & union jobs..lolol..trump & party r union busters..They r now in control of ur entire life!
What u did is sold ur freedom for a so called better economy & cheaper gas..I'm not even going to wish u good luck because u r & will deserve absolutely everything that's coming ur way & when u finally decide to stand up for ur rights - remember this - u sold ur rights to make America great again!
Well said and very true. I would like to see how they feel about year or so from now.
Let's hope that they figure it out before
It's too late. (Cont.). My fingers are twitchy/jerky and have minds of their own.
I have said repeatedly that we have ourselves to blame. Our leaders have failed us. Joe Biden refused to stop the herds for pouring over the border and I detested it even though I didn’t suddenly go MAGA. Others did, however. We made an art form of blaming each other for the sins of the past. I’m tired of being called privileged as the literature says. But it hasn’t made me go MAGA. Our own party under Bill Clinton signed into law NAFTA thereby rendering millions unemployed — the very group that fell into the MAGA hands.
We caused our own demise.
Well, I f*cked up. I will never trust me again. I am too old to understand my country anymore.
Did you really think we might win? I have been sick with anxiety for many months. It was only after seeing Rick Wilson's final ad for the LP, "West Wing", that I began to feel a sense of hope.
I have been on the fence from the beginning trying to figure out the reasons for such a detached break down & all that kept coming back to me is we r now on the runaway train that in the end was going to crash & we were going to start to face the most painful of lessons - living without the gift of freedom..The very gift the founding fathers design for us all..The founding fathers didn't have high education they had life lived experiences with governments & kingdoms & they wanted us to have a better life..if we could keep it.."For the people-By the people" yep well after generations fought to keep it we slowly became to busy being free & recklessly kept handing r freedoms over to politicians that took the honor to serve & turned it into very lucrative careers..even if they didn't produce the promises they campaigned on - we continue to reward them with r votes..hey we were too busy being free to care..There's so much more but I'm done saying..it's over & I can hardly wait for reality to check in..Constitution-GONE - benefits-social security-GONE - union jobs-GONE & slowly the reality that even on its worse day America was already great..we just had to stand up for it & protect it & make sure ALL RIGHTS STOOD FOR EVERYONE - NOT THE FEW..BUT WE WERE TOO BUSY BEING FREE🤷♀️
We can still fight. My bellicose statements are sincere yet I am brimming with fear and cowardice, counting on that extra ounce of patriotism to enable me to fight the good fight should life come to that.
Yes I did!
How did you eff up, Ned?
I really thought that Vice President Harris would win by five-to-seven percentage points in the popular vote and earn well over three hundred votes in the Electoral College. Well, that weapons training I got twenty years ago before going to Iraq may prove to be useful after all. I thought I had I had little left to mourn; I was wrong.
I felt crawling-out-of-my-skin anxious for many months, until the past two days, after I saw Rick Wilson's final ad. Before that, I had zero hope. Amazing how your sentence about being comfortable around military weapons actually feels good to hear. Imagine how insane that would have sounded -- what? a decade ago? Before the orange sadist showed his repulsive mug to the world. I still can't believe this has happened. I feel so sick.
Can I join ya? My one inherited long rifle from papa, a a single action 1896 Springfield rifle, is just a ‘wait in’ to be used to Make America Great Again.
Overly simplistic. See what I wrote about the Hydra.
This is the reality of what is happening in our nation right now. I referred by to the definition of the hydra, and found this: "The Hydra had many heads on long necks, each able to move independently. When a head was cut off, two would grow back, making it difficult to count the total. The Hydra's venom and blood were poisonous." Sound familiar? Putin and the infiltration of our social media; Orban and Kim; Thiel, Musk, Murdoch (note: none of these are American) and Bezos; the takeover of our media by large corporations; Citizens United; SCOTUS and recent ruling that everything the Dictator (oops, I mean President) does is legal; neo-Nazis; Evangelical "christians". I invite everyone reading this to add to my list. (Seriously.)
No you have done good. I should have had you as my assistant writer, lol.
Thanks! (I reread what you wrote about the two candidates being "the same". So many -- intelligent! educated! men! -- used that phrase. It never failed to astound me. I thought you were saying it as a fact. I realize that you were actually saying that was what tens of millions of voters actually believe.)
Where I’m looking for it.
I saw it firsr here in Michigan with NAFTA. Clinton and Granholm. Angry workers, rightfully so. We take a day to recover, then?
ONE DAY??
As I commented on another post - not only a woman but a BLACK woman!
As a 77 yr. old Mexican I have been exposed to the misogony Hispanic males my whole life. That is where "macho" came from. They and other cultures are so insecure in their "manhood" that women have to resort to being physical. We all remember Ellena Bobbit (?) after she got feed up with her husband's macho actions. We know this is not unique to Blacks and HIspanics, we have seen Islam dominated countries treatment of women
Frankly they are also threatened that we live longer.
I was blown away that a MAJORITY of Latino men voted for the orange sadist. WTF were they thinking?!!!
Absolutely MISOGYNY!
What I've noticed even more than his vile mouth is the audience always laughing and applauding at everything he says. Beyond disgusting.
I recently read a novel about Rome, with graphic detail about the sadistic "entertainment" that people enjoyed there. When I watch the maggots at his rally, I feel like I am seeing those people in the Roman Coliseum.
What’s even more disheartening is that none of this - not one second of America’s dark future - has been hidden: It’s all been out there since the beginning.
All of it. And now that the maggots have gained power, we can rest assured that all textbooks will be wiped clean of information about the destruction of the lives of all of the First People. Of slavery. Of lynching. Of domestic abuse not being a crime. It will all be disappeared.
So, let’s don’t get mad.
Choose a pronoun & let’s FIX it / him.
Good idea. Now: HOW do we fix it/him?
In international aid., one early signal of deepening theocracy or extremism is the increase in violence and femicide.
Oh, Lord. Makes sense. Tragically...
The narcissistic sociopath is only their face.The money (oligarchy) was the cause of the civil war. Jim Crow was the model for the Nazis.This is an ongoing threat that has existed fascisticly for at least 100 years. Thay have been diligently working to pull off the coup by having it voted in, as well as indicted real attempts in 1939 and a few years earlier. We have been asleep at the wheel, resting on our laurels since the victories in the 60s and early 70s and completely missed the oil slick at the curve. Peter Thiel and others poured the oil.
Wait until shady J.D. takes the reins of power; he is worse than Trump.
I've been saying this for months. I won't be surprised when the Project 2025 creators use the 25th Amendment to kick Trompe out within a year and put JD in to complete his term and then Vance will run for his own term.
Not sure there will be a next term after Vance
While I feel badly for Vice President Harris and Governor Walz, I grieve for the young people of this country. What a different place with a different horizon ahead for them than it was for me almost fifty years ago.
Oh yeah u believe that also?..I've been saying that they r using trump to win..once he wins & has been sworn in & some time has passed they will deem him unfit & have him removed & place JDVance in his place!..& trump will not have to go to prison & Melania can continue to collect her checks & actually move out of the W.H. for good..That will make her so happy..she hates it all!
Ok well u all take care♡🇺🇲
I doubt very much the orange felon rapist will make it to 4 years due to his dementia and possibly Alzheimer’s . And then JD Vance will take over and complete project 2025. We can’t even begin to impeach him until 2026 due to the majority in the house and senate. With the Russians meddling with the scare of bombs in Georgia, like Joyce Vance said it scared the voters away. With ifs and buts for the how’s and whys, we’d all be celebrating Kamala Harris as the winner.
Well my wishcraft seduced me one too many times. No point in hoping that Shady J.D. is really a sheep in wolf's clothing. Aaron Burr was not; Alcibiades was not; Napoleon was not. Time for me to re-read my warning from me to me dated eight and a half years ago.
https://nedmcdletters.blogspot.com/2016/05/letter-116-b-getting-historical.html
Ned, my one hope is that on election day morning, Trump sounded more rationa, still lying out his ass, but more rational than I've ever heard him sound. It's almost like a weight has been lifted from his shoulders and he was off the anti-anxiety drugs. If that stress-free Trump stays, the Vance will stay VP. Of course, I don't know which is worse.
Thank you for a balanced perspective there, Jerry. Life goes on and so must we. Watch for a soft coup (i.e., military leaders belaying whacko orders).
Everything you write is the absolute truth, Ransom.
Ditto you, kdsherpa
Thanks, Matthew. I appreciate that.
Even more disheartening is the apparent support given to Trump by white women voters. Until the votes came in, it was assumed there would be a switch in this demographic due to abortion prohibitions and Trump's criminal behavior toward women. As Joyce wrote, it is an additional outrage that Russia continues to play Trump to the detriment of our nation.
And Florida rejected women’s bodily autonomy. Gilead come to life.
But Missouri passed a constitutional amendment!
Will it be worthless when a national abortion ban is in place? I imagine the Supreme Farce would rule with Traitor should Missouri or any other state that has voted for a constitutional amendment try to defend their amendment.
I recall trump saying something at one point about how it matters what the evangelicals give him in return for passing a ban so everything including values can be negotiated with him or rewarded or punished by him. We will see. what can the wayward in my religion give this anti Christ who will continue to reveal his insides to the outside world? Vitriol will spew especially on those closest to him who don’t know how to break free until their own integrity just cannot take it. Mike Johnson will be tested. So far he flunks.
I truly believe most of them don't get it either (which is not an excuse for their behavior). They let their confusion, fear, anger, and ignorant & misinformed emotions control what they do to the detriment of everyone else on this planet (including animals and the eco system). And Trump counts on that stupidity, it's beyond tragic and obscene.
TJ, you are so right. I suppose when the MAGA House repeals their healthcare; when their grocery bills go up due to tariffs & China retaliates by not buying our grain; & even more sadly, when they know a friend or relative’s child dying from denied medical care if they are pregnant-maybe then we can pierce that shell of ignorance. But it will be too late for many Americans. I am in such despair.
I blame the billionaires even more than the surprised to win puppets.
A billionaire is the natural enemy of democracy..
I would t be surprised if Musk paid all the Hispanic and Latinos to vote for Trump.
Would not be surprised..
TJ, Trump recognized that the snowflakes on the right are more numerous than the snowflakes on the left. That's who he played to. As long as his wealth can keep growing, he really doesn't care
I'm so ashamed right now. 😢
The citizens of this new Russian colony owe the world a massive apology.
Given the projected 306 EV, plus a healthy lead in the popular vote, you bet the Orange Felon will demand a "mandate" to fuck over the rest of
us without mercy...find a foxhole, people, he's coming for you!
I hate to say it, but that's what I feel too- misogyny and racism. We'll keep going but it's hard right this minute.
And the price of eggs. IMO that's what did it. People are that stupid. They really are.
It's just obscene. Trump will make it worse. Wonder how long my Obamacare will last....
I made it to Medicare and now I can afford healthcare. I wonder how long this will last.
"The deterioration of a government begins almost always by the decay of its principles."
-- Baron Montesquieu.
I’m awake with you in California. It’s devastating. I retired in 2021. I have looked forward to peaceful golden years. I’m afraid Trump will turn the USA over to Putin.
I retired and hoped for peace, too. That hope is over. All women will now be fair game for the orange turd and his hoodlum pals, who are free to rape the planet, the women, the men, the children--we are going to be alive to see the death of our beautiful planet as a place that can support life. All of this is because of greed and stupidity, largely the complete stupidity of the American people. What SHIT.
Pray for the apocalypse NOW. Put this planet out of its misery—-no point in prolonging the torture of the innocents. The greedy billionaires don’t know it, but all their money will be useless as they destroy that which they so ruthlessly abuse.
I don't pray, as it's useless to petition some invisible friend for favors. But yes, in a way it would be good to wipe out all life at once and let the planet heal. However, I DON'T WANT THE CATS TO DIE!!
I have no hope either.....totally gone. But as a person in my 60s, I hope to be gone before the worst comes to be. And there is nothing any of us can do about it. I live in Trump's America and DeSantis's Florida: helpless and hopeless.
Keep some bit of hope because there are a lot of us who are NOT going back and NOT quitting. I am 75 and there ARE some things we can do, which I am working on.
1. We can donate to non-profits that help women, the poor, and the hungry.
2. We can read books that analyze our situation and suggest ways to act. Anne Applebaum's book _Autocracy, Inc._ is a good place to start.
3. We can keep in touch with each other and support each other's efforts. We can't stop global warming, but we can at least cut down our energy use and find ways to live that are less deadly to the planet.
I am not completely hopeless, but I do think that there is very little we can do now to stop the warming and the rise in ocean height and temperature. I suspect that a lot more species will be going extinct; we just deserve that more than any species on this beautiful blue planet.
Well that weapons training I received before I went to Iraq in 2004 may come in handy. I will fight. Hopefully, President Biden will finish off the gangster régime in Ukraine. There may well be a military coup. Not tanks rolling up to the portico, but senior military leaders belaying orders. G-D, to think our democracy may be dead and we have all those nukes.
Ned, I have been wondering how the the military…the real military…will respond to Trump’s/Flynn’s orders. I also can easily conjure a situation where all these Proud Boy-adjacent yahoos —who need no longer target practice between now and January 6–will soon be assuming backup/ leading roles in the dark plans for retribution and rounding up immigrants…legal and unpaid and unpapered.
Now I know what Willy Brandt felt in 1933. President Biden has three months to round up the militias in the U.S. and to flush the Red Army from Ukraine.
He should go for it! After all he has immunity for everything he does until Jan 6!
As long as he garbs his actions in matters of national security. Look for a gentle coup, if Trump goes crazy -- meaning the military will belay orders. ln fact, I wish the military would test the waters by subjecting Trump as C.inC. to a court-martial. It would likely go absolutely nowhere in appeals to the courts, but the gesture may enforce restraint upon a mentally impaired leader and his right-wingnut side-kick (who will be worse).
Will be interesting to learn the extent to which the military maintained their customary republiCON voting record despite the warnings of their leadership. With Fox indoctrination in every military installation, there must have been quite a struggle of conscience .
Correction: Putin’s nuclear arsenal has now grown.
OK, so now they will have 2 years to prove themselves on policy. If they do well, I will be more than happy to pull the feathers out of my teeth, but if not, the BLUE WAVE will come.
I don’t think we have two years to spare.
I'm really struggling with people acting like it will just be normal in 2 years. History shows us that it absolutely will not.
Way too much damage will have been inflicted to be corrected. Alito and Thomas will immediately resign from the SCOTUS, to be replaced by the likes of Aileen Cannon - (wait for it) who will be there for years. If they implement the plan to replace 40-50K federal workers with “their people” that will never be able to be fixed. And how would they “un-deport” milions of people?
It's truly shocking -- and I mean that in not only the mental sense, but also the physical -- that all the demons of Hell have truly been unleashed. "CRY 'HAVOC!' AND LET SLIP THE DOGS OF WAR!!" (Julius Caesar, Act III, Scene 1.)
Agree, Project 2025 will be implemented on day 1.
I started to panic after he won in 2016. Timothy Snyder told us we have about 1 year. We blew it. Then I thought maybe the egregious mishandling of Covid would do it and we did get Biden. Then it seemed like there were actually enough normal Republicans repulse by the insurrection and his methodical and widespread attempts to overthrow the election but nope. Somehow in this alternate reality I don't recognize, that seems to have increased his appeal and even more people are ready to throw away more than half the populations rights as well as our democracy.
I, too, was terrified when the orange sadist was elected in 2016. (Strangely, the first time I ever saw him, as he descended down that fake-golden escalator with melania, I suddenly saw Hitler standing there, and said so out loud. Everyone thought I was crazy.) I have been enduring these nearly 10 years, thinking that I would only stay in this country if a Democrat was elected in 2024. I honestly think we would have won if our candidate had been a white male. It infuriates me to say that, but I hate to say that I'm coming to believe it is true. Your statement that "even more people are ready to THROW AWAY MORE THAN HALF THE POPULATION'S RIGHTS as as well as our democracy" rings loud and true to my ears. Just like what happened in the Third Reich. The voices of majority were increasingly drowned out but the ferocity of the minority, until they were stilled altogether.
Yep - let's see how long it takes for that hand-selected list of Friends and Family replaces the institutional knowledge of our entire bureaucracy.
YES. Putin, Orbach, and the orange turd are already planning ways to fuck over what's left of our democracy and the "supreme" court will help in every way. It's the end of decency and the beginning of the real fight not only for our democracy, but democracy around the planet and indeed the planet itself.
This hits home for us expats living in Europe in the shadow of the Ukraine war. My heart goes out to Ukrainians this morning..their noble struggle has just got so much steeper.
Trump will hand Ukraine over to Putin. Poland or Moldova is next. He will pull us from NATO
Yes. In an aside from my side of the Atlantic, the new NATO members like Sweden and Finland have ceded jurisdiction of their military bases to NATO. I wonder if they would have done so do readily if they read these tea leaves. I sort of hope Trump does cut ties and in the interest of getting Europe to step up its own game.
You are so very tragically correct...
"It's the end of decency and the beginning of the real fight not only for our democracy, but democracy around the planet and indeed the planet itself." Chilling. True.
I'm concerned that those places that were starting to lose their democracy are now looking at the US and saying "let's go". Will we see a wave across the world?
Excellent, and terribly disturbing, point. God forbid.
That is my fear.
Mine too.
We don't have two years.
Agree.
Traitor will implement his revenge plan and consolidate his power immediately. As predicted when it was just a possibility, a new Traitor presidency will have NO guardrails.
You are assuming we will be allowed to have future elections. And, if so, will they be as well governed as in other authoritarian countries? Will Putin allow……..?
Misogyny and $$$$$ from American Oligarchy (Musk, Thiel, Murdock, Harlan Crow, etc). Disgusted.
tRump is just a loud mouthed carnival barker who was allowed to put his golden name on an evil secret society designed and slowly injected into the nation by the oligarchs of the Heritage Foundation, Federalist Society, white supremacists, and christian nationalists. They have been molding this takeover since the 1930’s.
Blame it on Peanut! It makes as much sense as anything else.
https://www.vox.com/culture/382397/peanut-squirrel-right-wing-republicans-onlyfans-explained
The Supreme Court is gone for the rest of my lifetime. I am sick. Just sick.
Same and I’m not up there now. NC bled red but did elect a Democratic governor. Haven’t heard about any of the other races there but we’re so gerrymandered I fear for the other offices.
We also elected a Democratic Attorney General, Jeff Jackson. The combination of Stein and Jackson gives me a sliver of hope for our state in this otherwise appalling evening.
Looks like 3 US house seats have flipped R
But 3 R House seats have also flipped D
Wondering what your source is
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-elections/north-carolina-results
Jeff Jackson was elected attorney general of NC.
For me it's for what's the rest of my lifetime, and more horrifying to me is the impact for my daughters, grandchildren and whatever children they may have. We are leaving them a terrible legacy.
That’s wonderful news! I’ve supported Jeff since his run for Congress and he wasn’t even going to be my representative. I saw where Michelle Morris was defeated as well but nothing about Jeff. Thanks for the bright spot of news.
The minority of good guys will soon be overwhelmed and swallowed up by the sea of the MAGA disease.
So glad Michele Morrow was defeated!
The 50 years of planning from the far right Heritage Foundation and ALEC have finally given them all the power, and they are determined that none of us will ever have any power over our own bodies, laws, planet, air, water, land, or anything. The broligarchs will enrich themselves enormously with taxes paid by all of us, cut SS, get rid of Medicare, and laugh in our faces with their contempt. Just wait until Elon Musk makes government more "efficient." IF you thought the Nazis were bad, you are in for a terrible, terrible, shock.
OK, now, GET MOVING TO WORK WITH ANY ORGANIZATION YOU CAN THAT WILL FIGHT THIS SHIT. I'm attending an Indivisible Zoom tonight; check it out! Talk to your neighbors and politically compatible friends about what you can do in your town or city to see that the poor and hungry and homeless are not dying in the streets because of the orange turd, and women are not dying of ectopic pregnancies and sepsis at the doors of an emergency room. TESTOSTERONE POISONING IS A TERRIBLE THING!
Me,too
"The deterioration of a government begins almost always by the decay of its principles."
-- Baron Montesquieu.
I'm sickened by Americans who voted for this disgusting, seditious felon.
Me too!
And, the red creatures down ballot.
How disheartening that character no longer seems to count.
"The deterioration of a government begins almost always by the decay of its principles."
-- Baron Montesquieu.
I have the same sinking feeling in my heart that I had when Hillary Clinton lost eight years ago.
Our country is going to be set back 100 years and we will be stuck not only with Trump, but also RFK and Elon Musk, being controlled by puppeteer Peter Thiel. It appears the billionaires have won. Thanks Citizens United…ugh
Such awful people.
Yes, the deplorables, the garbage people, the lazy and greedy and prejudiced and stupid and narcissistic ones who have taken over what used to be our democracy.
It (almost) defies credulity.
No, it DOES defy credulity 🤯
(Evidence that we’re living in a Matrix-like simulation 🤔)
Don’t forget to specifically thank John Taney - oops, I mean John Roberts and his court for Citizens United. He sold America to the highest bigger with CU - and damn well knew what he was doing. Getting rid of CU should have been the absolute priority since then but Corporate Democrats were okay with it. More money for them - raking it in with one hand while giving high faluting speeches with the other hand pointing about emphatically as if to strengthen that empty speech.
Yup, welcome to our American banana republic plutocracy 😔
This is worse.
Yes, it is. FASCISM KILLS. Plutocracy is bad, but it doesn't kill.
SCOTUS has set itself up as the “Commander Council” of the Handmaid’s nation of Gilead.
Seems Russia wasted their energy... we seem to have killed ourselves. My heart is very heavy tonight.
Russia may have engineered the result with the bomb threats.
I am more willing to believe Russia rigged this entire election than I am that Trump's dystopia won in an actual landslide vote by real people. But I clearly continue to give people credit for not seeking their own destruction when clearly I am wrong. I see our weakened institutions failing within six to 12 months, along with social security and health care being taken away and a stock market collapse (not just a crash) and deep recession from which most of us do not recover. Mad Max is here.
We have just joined Russia, China, North Korea, Iran. And we will end up looking like Ukraine and Gaza. Because that is what dystopian dictatorships DO.
I truly do not see any light anywhere for America and possibly the world.
I'm sorry Ken, no excuses., no philosophy... this was mass suicide. Common sense told us to check the other box. We chose the death of democracy, a chain-gang mentality. A true tragedy, self inflicted.
There’s not much to say except I am disappointed, so disappointed, that so many of my fellow countrymen, appear to so devoid of discernment and knowledge to think Donald Trump suitable as our president, again.
I dread waking up tomorrow morning to the same news as in 2016. How can it be that the majority of Americans want a fascist government with a cruel and mentally incompetent leader. Have we voted for the last time?
Lynne, I remember that morning so well; it was horrific and I had to teach that day. The high school where I worked was in heavy mourning all day. My students couldn't believe anyone would vote for such a hateful racist, misogynist. Trump is worse now and I am sure the high school students who care are still wondering how anyone could hate this country so much as to vote for Trump and Kump.
This Marylander doesn't feel like teaching today either ! ! What a sad day for all who believe in honesty, fairness, brotherhood, respect, rational discourse, and freedom.
Jean, it is a tough day. I got the feeling of how things were going to go when I heard the scoreboard guy on MSNBC saying nothing, but trying to say something about the votes coming in. I am not surprised. I have known for decades just how misogynistic our nation is, permitting rapists to keep on raping pretty much at will unless the victim was rich and white. We have allowed men to determine what our reproduction will be because they want control, not to support any pregnant women or children born of the pregnancies. We are a super racist lot too, not only permitting slavery for more than 2 centuries, but letting Jim Crow murder thousands of Black Americans and any supporters with impunity for a century beyond supposed freedom. We have permitted schoolyard bullying almost without consequence in many places, "boys will be boys" and other such BS. Those who voted for Trump and Kump think he will help them. He may throw a few crumbs their way, but he despises them all and got the votes he needed to do as much destruction to this nation as we will permit and I am guessing from this election, we will permit a lot, letting a jerk like Musk run things, RFK, Jr. run our medical system, and whatever other incompetent jerk Trump and Kump can find to spit on our people. Yay America! I am trying to guess how long it will be before Trump and Kump tank our economy and let Musk and his rich immigrant friends buy it up. We all lost yesterday, but only the Harris supporters know it yet.
I took today off. I just knew I wouldn’t be able to concentrate at work today. My mental health took such a hit last time he was in office, waking up each day wondering what he had rage tweeted at 3 am or done since I was last awake. I just don’t know what is wrong with half of the country. They know what they’re getting this time around and they’re here for it. If they think they’re safe from trump’s worst impulses, they’re in for a surprise. I hope it backfires spectacularly on his uneducated and un/ill-informed base. I know we’re supposed to love our neighbor but I’m finding it difficult today. I hate everyone who voted for trump right now.
Me,too. I was so sure Americans understood the stakes.
It will be telling how many voters were purged and couldn't vote and how many just didn't vote at all. 😔
we gave them way to much credit. We thought they would understand reason and welcome an alternative. Now we are even more divided. I keep wondering who
I keep wondering who would do this? Who are the traitors among us?
SD Reader, there are a lot of them out here, our neighbors, family members, and friends as well as strangers of all kinds. They drank the Kool-Ade and we will all pay.
SD Reader, and, we get to thank our media platforms and Russia again for their intense work to make sure people, vulnerable people would believe Trump is fine, that hating everyone who is not him is good, and presenting Harris as just a woman, nothing special is acceptable. Well done media. I hope you feel the pain of what you have done. You learned nothing from 2016. I bet you learned nothing this year either. Disgusting!
I think so. In the distant future there may be a rebellion/revolution.
Yes, probably so.
I’m afraid so!
Difficult to understand the thinking of T voters. Do we live, work, play in the same universe?
Certainly we do not have the same values, ethics….SO sad.
We do not live in the same universe. They are in a cult. One that has grown larger despite his actions. Or maybe because of them.
Today I am ashamed to be an American.
Hate to think of what will happen to women's rights, future elections, judicial appointments, no justice for Trump, released Jan 6 prisoners, RFK Jr. and Elon Musk with their hands on our lives, Johnson gloating in the House, Social Security, health care, global warming/environment, Ukraine, Russia/China/N Korea. And JD Vance ... On some level I never believed Harris could win; she is a woman and not pure white either. The conservative men just won't have it. What a disappointment to know what the majority of Americans really want. It's not the economy; that is an excuse. Having a dark night; going to bed.
We will not have the Affordable Care Act. We will have thugs in office. I wrote to Governor Newsom and asked him to declare CA as leaving the Union. Sounds nuts but I am dead serious!
I worry for my grandchildren, who may be swept up in a civil war. I find it impossible to believe that this country will become a fascist state, but if T**** wins, that will happen. And the only way to stop it is going to cost a lot of lives.
I agree., California should leave the union.
I was thinking Colo should build a wall around itself...
I truly thought Americans would choose light over doom. I was wrong.
It stuns me that Mexico just elected their first woman president and yet not enough people in this country can deal with it. I shudder to think of Elon Musk, RFK and Steven Miller running things, because the Dumpster Fire just cares about staying out of jail and using his power to fatten his coffers.
I want to say there are no gods nor goddesses who will save us. We worked hard but Putin won…again. We have to accept the fact that the people in our country are mean and full of hate. They totally accepted J6 as being a “love affair” and not an insurrection. When diseases come back, may they all drink bleach.
I’m sure Musk already has the design for iron lung factories after RFK completes his assignment.
women's rights - will be diminished more and more if not demolished completely. Women may even lose the right to vote.
future elections - will not exist as we know it. They will take place but the winner will have been predetermined. Because we will still have elections we will “look” like a democracy but in fact won’t be one.
judicial appointments - that’s a no brainer. The rule of law will cease to exist. That is unless it’s Trump’s rules of what the law should be.
Judicial appointments will be for those who bow to trump
no justice for Trump - yup once again he’ll not be held accountable
released Jan 6 prisoners -will empower them.
RFK Jr. - goodbye vaccines, the FDA, the NIH, the CDC
Elon Musk - god knows what that nutcase has in store for us.
Johnson gloating in the House - his dream of a Christian Nation coming to fruition
Social Security - were fucked there. It’ll be privatized and/ or the money sucked out of it for some other purpose. Maybe even to line Trumps pockets.
health care - ACA gone. Insurance companies can do whatever they want to deny care for anybody for any reason
global warming/environment - free reign for those who want to exploit the environment for profit. Watch out. Our National Parks could be on the chopping block.
Ukraine - dead, gone…. Will no longer exist. Russia takes over.
Russia - will be invited to participate in the USA both politically if not physically. It wouldn’t be surprising to find Russian troops on American soil some day carrying out Trump’s wishes if not what Putin wants Trump to do.
China - who the fuck knows.
N Korea. - who knows there as well but imagine:
The “quad-axis” that seeks to rule the world - Putin, Xi, Kim Jong, Trump
The dystopian world many feared coming to life.
We are fucked
Correction, “the quad-axis”will include Orban not Xi.
Project 25 calls for completely cutting ties with China.
If California left the union, it would quickly be attacked by Flynn’s army.
Thank you Joyce! It has been a rough evening but I appreciate your voice tonight. 💙💙💙
It looks like we've lost the Senate. That's a terrible blow.
I feel sick, but hopeful for tomorrow.
I right now have no hope for the future. I doubt there will be an election in 2028. President JD Vance will ensure that.
Trump has hinted in the past that once in office again he should have no term limits and it will be the last election
Physically sick over all this.
If it weren’t for the concerted efforts of so many folks who have thrown themselves into the work of preserving our democracy, I would have reached the point of abject hopelessness. As it is, I am in despair, astonished at the level to which the American people have sunk and find myself utterly unable to imagine how we will cope going forward. What more can we possibly do?
Save future generations of humans and innocent animals from the misery and torture by praying for the apocalypse now.
I'm in shock! What has happened to this country? Haven't we had enough of this horrible human being and all that he represents? I pray I wake up and see a miracle tomorrow. I had so much hope. :(
Kamala ran a perfect campaign. What do we have to do to win? I’m mystified.
It won’t be allowed once the Department of Education converts to the Department of Indoctrination and Morality, but our schools should have encouraged more teachings about this country’s birth, cruel ascension over the souls of Native Americans and imported slaves, the honorable principles put forth by the Founding Fathers, the Civil War, our underbelly of support of Jim Crowe and admiration of Adolf Hitler in the 1930s, the “hollier -than-thou” rise of christian nationalism, the sacrifice of equality to the wealthy corporate master, etc. Ignorance dooms us to the return to past evils.
And thank-you Joyce for your diligence and hard work to keep us informed.
And mountains of gratitude for the heart and soul poured into an ignorant undeserving populace by Kamala Harris——-truly one of the most intelligent, compassionate, generous beings walking this sad planet.