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Deborah solleveld's avatar

Thank you for sparing us having to listen to his nonsense.

Margaret's avatar

That was my thought, why get my blood pressure up before bedtime, when Joyce will break it down for me in the morning. Thank you Joyce!

Linda Barnett's avatar

YES - such a dangerous / desperate Bozo

Night Has A Thousand Eyes's avatar

Trump is dangerous, demented, and desperate. He is also cornered and like a cornered animal fighting for his life. There is nothing off the table for him and there should be nothing off the table if Democrats, Independents, and Republicans of good will want to save our democracy. Tonight represents the beginning of what appears to be an unavoidable struggle against for lack of a better word, evil.

Kay Bedingfield's avatar

It is concerning that nothing is off the table and he has the n codes!

On the Ohio's avatar

I believe his recklessness in Iran is a hope that Iran will do something on American soil, allowing him to claim elections must be cancelled or altered in some way. He is ruthless, frightened he will be prosecuted for his crimes, and ignorant of the full impact of his actions. He has already demonstrated he considers American lives expendable.

Phil Johnson's avatar

He is going to declare an emergency anyway - that much is obvious. Just a matter how, which way and when...

Kay Bedingfield's avatar

What do we do when he does?

Phil Johnson's avatar

Just saw this; I have to think about that one; violence is not the answer, no matter what else. Protest comes to mind; just how and under what circumstances our civic go-to leaders will have some suggestions (Joyce, Thom, and others), depending on the circumstances of DJT's specific acts/words. It won't be easy, but we all at the neighborhood level have got to be aware that action might take place at a location near you. Unity in the neighborhood probably will have something to help us all with a national crisis, which I think this is. Write your reps/senators that you object to (name your favorite gripe) which is adding to the displeasing atmosphere we do not appreciate oligarchical personalities usurping American rights to be left alone and practice our constitutional rights.

I will add my own remedy: prayer to the One who made us all and loves us all.

He does not want us to suffer unduly.

eric achenbach's avatar

not the beginning; they're still fighting the civil war. they don't think they've lost yet.

Dave Kirkpatrick's avatar

When tRUmp is finally out of office he needs to be charged and prosecuted for every crime that we have evidence of and that can be won in court. He’s not playing and neither should we. When sworn in he lied that he would uphold the constitution yet he’s done everything he can to break it and the laws.

William Burke's avatar

Meanwhile, the Supreme Court has declared presidents immune for “official acts” while in office, leaving a black hole of ambiguity. Gotta overturn that decision. Add more justices to the court. The ones that aren’t shills for authoritarian rulers.

Susanna J. Sturgis's avatar

"Shills for authoritarian rulers" seems to be a synonym for "appointed by Republican presidents."

John Bruner's avatar

There may be a silver lining behind the Court's immunity ruling. In overturning Bob McConnell's bribery conviction for accepting gifts in return for official favors as governor of Virginia, the Court ruled that McConnells actions did not constitute "official acts." Should Trump find himself in front of the Court (again), we will see if the Court will use the "official acts" doctrine as a standard of law or as a variable to be interpreted for the benefit of its friends.

Suzanne's avatar

Jack Smith found a whole lot of evidence which could not be described as official. It found its way into his final report Superseding Indictment, filled to the brim with clear and meticulously researched evidence.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.258148/gov.uscourts.dcd.258148.226.0.pdf

Susan Iwanisziw's avatar

Maybe we can just remove five of them?

Suzanne's avatar

Yes and remember that Jack Smith completed his report called a Superseding Indictment which is publicly available to read. It was closed without prejudice which means it can be resurrected. Wouldn't that be something?

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.258148/gov.uscourts.dcd.258148.226.0.pdf

Jon Rosen's avatar

What seems to be consistently ignored here is that the current president holds the complete and virtually unrestricted power to grant pardons for all past federal crimes. There is a small question of whether such pardons can be granted to oneself, but that can really be avoided by trump resigning on Jan 19, 2029, and letting Vance have the last day in charge so that he can grant trump his pardon (trump will have already granted all the others).

At that point the federal government, even back in democratic hands, will be impotent to prosecute any of those pardoned by trump or Vance. Sad but true.

The states might be able to help here but the charges will have to be supported in each state and trump has tried hard to avoid doing things illegally outside of Washington DC.

The facts are that it will be very difficult to successfully prosecute trump after he leaves office. It will be up to future governments to make changes to the law and possibly the Constitution to fix this for the future. But that will only be for the future as our constitution bars ex post facto laws (changing the laws to make prior acts illegal).

Sigh...

Linda (Evanston IL)'s avatar

Will trump still be alive then? He seems more mentally and physically unwell each day.

Julie Bannerman's avatar

I find it telling that, 36 years ago, Vanity Fair journalist Marie Brenner wrote a fascinating profile of Donald and Ivana Trump after their divorce (September 1990 issue, After the Gold Rush, available online in the archives section of the website). She concluded:

“I thought about the ten years since I had first met Donald Trump. It is fashionable now to say that he was a symbol of the crassness of the 1980s, but Trump became more than a vulgarian….Trump appeared to believe that his money gave him a freedom to set the rules. No one stopped him. His exaggerations and baloney were reported, and people laughed. His bankers showered him with money. City officials almost allowed him to set public policy…. New York City, like the bankers from the Chase and Manny Hanny, allowed Trump to exist in a universe where all reality had vanished.”

Here we are again, with far greater stakes if Trump is allowed to impose his universe “where all reality had vanished”. In 1945, psychologist Carl Jung marvelled at another master liar, in Germany (according to Ivana as quoted in the 1990 article, Trump kept a book of Hitler’s speeches at his bedside):

“A sorry lack of education, conceit that bordered on madness, a very mediocre intelligence combined with the…cunning and the power fantasies of an adolescent, were written all over this demagogue’s face…These personal observations led me to conclude at the time (1937) that, when the final catastrophe came, it would be far greater and bloodier than I had previously supposed.”

It on us, the people, to demand that evidence and reason overwhelm the Big Lies, and that our elected officials not bend to Trump’s will. Speak up, stand firm.

Lor's avatar

Thank you Joyce for being here in my ear today with posts and live updates on various topics with Mimi and Preet. Your support was essential to understanding the confirmation process of Blanche — so disappointing

Susan Iwanisziw's avatar

I’m not reposting that discussion yesterday. Going with Mike Nellis in Endless Urgency—2 furious guys fighting on!

Kevin Dale Green's avatar

I'm confused; so, one country interfering in another country's election is now a bad thing? But. wasn't it a good thing when Vance went to Hungary to try and influence their election? Or when he did the same thing in Germany?

lin•'s avatar

Certainly Republicans think it a good thing when Netanyahu comes to the US to get out the vote for them.

Although some may be questioning that. The recent House vote to end military aid to the Netanyahu regime got more votes than expected, but not enough to pass. The effects of both AIPAC and CUFI (Christians United For Israel, the largest American group supporting violent right wing religious extremism in Israel through influencing American politicians and voters.)

Susan Iwanisziw's avatar

Now Fetterman is saying he may become a Republican if US support for Israel declines (Phila Inquirer this morning). We all know he is Netanyahu’s yes-man rather than the progressive Democrat we helped elect. Perhaps he’ll do is a favor and deport himself.

Cissna, Ken's avatar

Never forget: Fedderman is a better choice than the Republican who would likely replace him.

Susan Iwanisziw's avatar

Or when Trump/Hegseth abducted the president from Venezuela and killed Iran’s head honcho.

Deborah Kadin's avatar

Democracy is not a spectator sport. Anyone - really everyone - who gives a fig about our country should wake up and help make sure this isn’t our last election.

Joan Eisenstodt's avatar

That, @Deborah Kadin, is the question: who cares? Those cornered MAGAT candidates fear his wrath and their perceived status. My guess: outside their states or districts who knows most of them? I’m not even sure I could name the Cabinet and for years I could do so. Proud times those.

SecDef in so many ways is going to count testosterone levels of what, men and women in the services to check their levels of “lethality” - nuts bec he could just recruit ICE who’d get far lower pay but boy can they kill innocents. Or RFKJr who is killing us a bit at a time through measles, alpha gal, cuts to vaccinations.

@ Janet Edelstein and others: I’m not giving up. Postcards, donating, encouraging others.

I’m skeptical of what days from not til then and days after will be. And the money spend. Money taking from education, especially for children with disabilities. Money taken from housing veterans.

We have to get through him handing the FIFA prize over to the winning team. The F1 race around DC for his 250 freedom celebration. And all the dialing for dollars from campaigns and PAC, and peace and quiet gone.

We will pull this off!

If typos, it’s late and I’m apologize.

David J. Sharp's avatar

Trump’s lies and misrepresentations are so obvious … and in a pre-Trump world, reputable news outlets would have reported so. But today, Trump depends upon his capitulated pals - the Ellisons, the Murdochs, Bari Weiss - to accept his distortions. How low we have fallen.

Marc Panaye's avatar

Best description ever of the times you are currently having te endure my US friends!

"Optimally, you’d prefer that the President of the United States and the dumbest fucking moron on the planet were two different people"

J. Tiedrich (sarcastic commentator of your times)

Debi's avatar

Perfect comment - and so on point!

Marc Panaye's avatar

I'll tell Mr. Tiedrich. When I read it I could not do anything else but "agree strongly".

Debi's avatar

I HAD TO copy and share - it is just too brilliant a commentary to keep hidden. Mr. Tiedrich is my hero for today for putting that illustrious language together.

Marc Panaye's avatar

Lets spread it like a pathogene and hope it causes "you know who" to experience an extreme case of explosive diarrhea.

Debi's avatar

If only . . .

Hope springs eternal, right?

Marc Panaye's avatar

I've got a little smile on my face.... I see the felon sitting on a toilet and noticing that the last bit of paper is gone........

Pam Birkenfeld's avatar

Yes, it’s unthinkable and unforgivable to do so!

Ma's avatar

Thank you. Signed up for working the election polls. Writing postcards to GOTV. Protesting. Listening (and contributing to) to more podcasts than hours in a day. Supporting campaigns. I communicate with my congresspeople daily. Telling my maga relatives to go f* themselves. Trying to imbue my overworked, underpaid young relatives with a sense of hope and democracy. That is the hardest reality. How did we let it get to this? I promise to make it better before I die. I remember eating mayonnaise sandwiches because that is all we had in the house. We can do better than that.

L.D.Michaels's avatar

Trump has told so very many lies over the years so that he's lost all credibility. The ones he spewed out tonight are among his most blatantly obvious, that is, to all except himself because Donald Trump actually believes his own lies. And he needs to continue to do so to stabalize his mental equilibrium. It's just very unfortunate that this pathetic egomaniac is the President of the United States.

Phil De Luca's avatar

there are 100,000 illegal aliens marching to the border to enter our country. these people are rapists and killers. they will rape your wives, daughters, and girlfriends. Only way to stop this heinous crime is to elect TRUMP (ad in 2020) and preached by Carson, Ingraham, Beck, FOX 24/7 and Trump. It never happened and was never going to happen.

FEAR FEAR FEAR is what they were preaching.

today it is China, 2020, rigging, all fake to instill FEAR again.

the only RIGGIN that was done was in 2024, the last presidential election when Trump and MUSK did just what they are saying now. "we will have the postmaster withhold mail in ballots that arrive after the polls close"

What he just admitted was a variation of how he won 4 states by less than 2% (Wisconsin was less than .8 of 1%). He and Musk had mail carriers that were MAGA or right wing in those 4 states with 60 electoral votes. a total of 300,000 our ot 16 million were not turned in. Mail carriers just HELD those ballots from boxes in 100% democratic districts. It was easy to do.

when Trump won for example 100,200 to HARRIS 99,600, just 1000 ballots were not turned in.

those were all for HARRIS. The above count was right - total collected matched the vote count.

but add those 1000 and HARRIS had 100,600 and Trump had 100,200.

and out of 200,000 just 1/2 of 1% had to be NOT TURNED IN.

Trump just announced how he will do it again but this time it is public.

Trump lost by 7 million in 2020 and he is still filing actions. 61 lawsuits that he lost and still complaining.

DEMS//HARRIS lost by 300,000 out of 150 million total in 4 states.

312 that Trump got was really 252 and HARRIS would have had 284 and be the winner.

You can see how desperate he is.

HE was MORE SO in 2024. HE HAD TO WIN or go to JAIL. He didn't care if he cheated.

HE HAD to win.

This time he is almost as desperate but if he loses the mid terms he won't go to JAIL.

he might be impeached but so what. he'll be pardoned and keep his $50 billion and his sons will stay out of jail.

HE HAD TO WIN by any means and not ONE DEM has raised any claims that Trump rigged the 2024 election. we know he did. based on everything about him.

HE STOLE the election in 2024.

DAMN why doesn't someone say something?

Mary Corredor's avatar

Phil:

I am glad to see I am not the lone ranger here.

I am not usually a conspiracy theorist, but from the small amount of reading I have done, I am skeptical that he won 2024 fair and square. I also suspect Musk and Starlink had a connection.

Once again, I am not totally convinced the election was rigged, but I am very skeptical and believe it needs to be further investigated.

Phil Johnson's avatar

My response to

"HE HAD TO WIN by any means and not ONE DEM has raised any claims that Trump rigged the 2024 election. we know he did. based on everything about him.

"STOLE the election in 2024.

"DAMN why doesn't someone say something?"

Part of it is due to the fact that about 40% of the electorate did not exercise their votes.

That complicates the math of cheating, etc.

So, that means EVERYONE WHO CAN must vote this time....

Lynne Latham's avatar

He is afraid. He is building a fence (barricades) around the White House and surrounding area to keep the people out because he knows when he interferes with the election and our right to vote, someone will be coming after him (not sure what the people will be carrying because not many of us have pitchforks these days).

Mary Schweitzer's avatar

What do we do if he tries to take the ballots by force?

Judith Swink (CA)'s avatar

Democratic governors and, I hope, some Republican governors have been working together to game out the potentials for taking ballots and/or machines, and how to stop it. I can't say what the specifics may be but one doesn't advertise defensive actions until time to deploy them.

Steve Muratore's avatar

Organize lawyers with election expertise to challenge them in local courts. That has worked well since Trump moved back in thr oval office.

Judith Swink (CA)'s avatar

I recommend subscribing to Democracy Docket, Marc Elias' firm. He/they have been on the front lines since 2020 and have prevailed in the great majority of suits up to the present. There are others important to support as well tho' I don't have their names on the tip of my tongue; ACLU and NAacp come to mind as well.

This is an valuable way we can fight back, for those of us who can afford subscriptions, while keeping abreast of what's being done in the courts.

Mary Schweitzer's avatar

Yes, but this would need IMMEDIATE action. We can’t let them take the ballots and “give them back.”

Steve Muratore's avatar

courts consistently recognize the urgency of election cases.

Mary Schweitzer's avatar

Well, you guys think about 2020 - I remember 2000.

Joel S's avatar

Tonight, I watched a replay of the video ot the discussion between Lauren and Joyce (Vance).

Two BRILLIANT American Patriots!

Beware:

in November, Trump’s goons will focus/concentrate their election disruption/interference actions on the Senatorial swing states.

In addition, all but a handful of people are missing the big picture.

The big picture? Donald J Trump is a traitor. Serving his puppet master Putin (Who is the world‘s richest person), Trump was put in the presidency to DESTROY America’s Democracy.

Think about ——

-Who most benefits from Trump destroying NATO?

-Who most benefits from Trump’s persistent undermining of Zelenskyy and Ukraine?

-The quantity of dirt Putin collected on Trump when Trump visited Russia many times over the years (before Trump was elected to anything)

-Putin’s efforts to influence the election of Trump in 2016, 2020 and 2024.

-The hundreds of millions Trump enabled Russian Mafia and Russian Oligarchs to launder through his condominium developments.

Phil Johnson's avatar

I am not pitching for shekels, but I have read and re-read Thom Hartmann's masterpiece, "The Last American President" and it is worth every nickel if you can't get it at your native library. Just to show an example: the Roy Cohn demise. He was DJT's pit bull lawyer back in the day, and at the end of the 20-year relationship, RC called DJT because he needed a place to stay, having succumbed to AIDS and had lost all his assets. Left a message asking for DT's extending him a place to stay in one of his NY hotels. Trump not only did not return the call, he did not even attend the inevitable funeral.

Shows to go you; What a guy, eh?