Thank you for distilling the speech for us. I just couldn't watch. I did hear some clips with raves from Republicans. The gaslighting would make even Charles Boyer blush.
I lasted 10 seconds into trump's speech before I started cursing at the TV, I left the room at that point. I'm thankful for Joyce Vance's article. Maybe I could have watched it longer had I been part of a substack. Naaah. But what stuck out in Ms. Vance' article in remarking about the economy "even his own folks can not have missed them" his OWN folks. That's an excellent way of putting that. He seems to OWN these "folks". Evidently slavery in the republican party is alive and well. As far as "ineffectual and ineffective" ? That's true, unless of course, you talk about his ability to destroy everything he touches. Thank you for watching for me, I just couldn't deal with it.
I couldn’t get past the sustained applause I heard from the tv in the other room as the felon must have entered the room. That was it for me!!! The republicans are just as corrupt and racist as he is.
Sure bet but so aren’t the democrats. All politicians are alike. They have the backbones of sloths like Margret Taylor Greene and when she perceived the winds changing shift, she withdrew and will wait for a better day. Oh, she’ll be back bet your bottom dollar. Interesting point from Robert Reich who said that corporations can prohibit corporations from campaign spending by a state statute and currently California and Montana has them on the November ballot.
Can't get money out of politics by passing a law; the Epstein/monied class is lawless.
To get money out of politics, we first have to get the obscene 'throw-away-money' out of the billionaires and big undead corp.s. (It would be insufficient to get them 'out of the country'.)
If we can't do THAT, we CANNOT have a democracy, unless we move to one.
THIS is the point where governance failed in the US... we enshrined 'greed as good' instead of 'all men are created equal'. (Where 'greed' is the laissez-faire capitalism now rapidly morphing into consumer surveillance and AI-assisted 'misinfotainment' population control; where 'equal' means, same intrinsic human worth & entitlements, not same talents; where 'man' means, all humankind.)
When we convene the 3rd Constitutional Convention, some ethical and behavioral norms that were assumed, need to be spelled out; but other things that were assumed need to be corrected!
Let's FIX this nation! Correct me, but seems this is the process: Win House and Senate (learn to talk/listen to R's a bit, instead of demonizing them). Impeach P and VP simultaneously with joint charge of treason, putting Speaker in the WH. Pack the SC enough to defang the power towers. Legally repair the maldistribution of Senate representation of citizens (use imagination, don't be shy). Convene the 3rd CC.
Establish: mathematically drawn census tracts after finalization of censes (may need to apply same algorithm to fair(er) Senate representation, or split large states - yes LOTS of state-federal issues; must address them to have a democracy); ranked-choice voting; return to the FDR TAX structures that created the huge middle class; end to corporate welfare; ethics laws with teeth for President, SC, cabinet, and congress re: emoluments, self-dealing, conflict of interest, nepotism, revolving door, lobbying, etc.; term and age limits in elected office; carefully review and reverse the pro-corporation and anti-civil rights laws and rulings from Reagan forward.
We must make rapid progress toward disenfranchising the Epstein class - BOTH at home AND abroad - to preserve democracy anywhere. (No nation is an island, to paraphrase John Donne.) Much of this may need to be done as rapidly as the P25 was.
A LOT needs fixing; BUT THIS is the main task: UNDO the systems favoring power concentration, and RESTORE prioritizing care for people (ie, good governance).
Indeed. Thank you, Joyce, for watching so I didn't have to.
I saw the first few minutes of what was so obviously a North Korean shitshow involving fawning, obsequious, terrified assholes standing and applauding for far too long, scared of being the first to sit down, while the Rancid Emperor preened and glowed, displaying his new clothes, eating it all up with a spoon....I immediately clicked off.
A fascist spectacle and cheering squad unworthy of the United States of America.
Bonnie, I do not understand how Stateside Americans can report on the SAVE America act being mentioned so calmly. It is going to disenfranchise not just the 7-11 million Americans living abroad, and growing, but also many, many women and poor people. It am glad that Joyce reported on SOTU. She did not say anything that was not predicted. I am glad it is over and done with. I am glad Trump did not announce that he was in the process of bombing Iran while he spoke as some had predicted. I am glad that those who say he is saber rattling in the Middle East because he wants to control the shipping of oil just as he is doing with the region where Venezuela is, so he can raise oil prices. Each day, it makes me glad that my home is not run on fossil fuels.
Hi Linda, my local Indivisible groups have a large Calls to Elected chain (maybe 300 people) and we’ve been calling our reps about SAVE for two weeks now. It’s a travesty and a gut punch to women. I’m livid about it. And always stressed by the people who just don’t pitch in to help us defeat this blight.
Always grateful to you for your work abroad and reports to us.
Thanks for the chuckles Joyce: "HHS Secretary Robert Kennedy looked pretty good for someone who recently acknowledged snorting cocaine off of a toilet seat."
I wonder why he snorted off a toilet seat. Most of us snorted on mirrors back in the day. But a toilet seat? Could RFK JR have thought the mirror reflected badly of himself? And did he use a $100 bill like many of us did as a sign of prosperity or did he use a used cut off soda straw. Probably a soda straw.
Per Heritage Foundation, posted by the Brennan Center, there were 41 instances of voter fraud out of 3M votes cast between 2003 and 2023. For that we’ll get the SAVE act that will cost many women a LOT of time, money, and energy to retain the right to vote. And disenfranchise millions who don’t have all three of those things.
We won't get the SAVE Act. Please stop upsetting yourself listening to the Lefty Clickbators. The Senate GOP would have to make a carve-out for voting rights in the filibuster and they know if they did when the Democrats take control next term they'd be watching the John Lewis Voting Rights Act and the for The People Act become law. They won't do that, and therefore the SAVE Act won't pass. John Thune has already publicly acknowledged that fact. Anything to the contrary you hear from droolers like Mike Lee is just another moron trying to play Big Bad Wolf who will huff and puff and blow your house down. Which also won't happen.
It is still important to make our wishes known to the “electeds” (I don’t know where I heard that reference but I only mean it as a slight towards the ass-kissing repub senators in tx). We must continue to fight this.
I couldn't watch it. I can't ever watch anything he does or listen to anything he says - it makes my skin crawl and I will throw up. So thank you for taking one for the team tonight. We're in this together (I say this to myself every morning when I get up).
One wonders just who Trump was speaking to - all those blatant lies and bigly boasts - but to himself. How low we have fallen. How low we have been brought down.
He has quite the fan base in the Republican congress…and his rank and file base just parrots his words without thought. I have a Trump friend who refers to him with fond reverence as “President Trump”. “ President Trump says….”. He’s so sort of goofy and puppy doggy when he speaks of him and he does have Fox on all day in his shop. I used to challenge his facts but I don’t anymore. He’s obtuse and smitten and while he’s basically a really reliable neighbor and always kind to me, he does think immigrants are destroying our country and that is his main draw to Trump. He loves the tough stance against “those people”’stealing his jobs and services. He’s immovable and inconsolable on this topic. Trump is his hero.
This perspective seems to imbue the Fox-watching Rs. They are, at heart, bigots, and this president elevates that perspective as a shining example of right-thinking. I don't see any of them changing. Fox isn't ever not going to be a propaganda machine for MAGA. Are there enough people in this country who believe in the Constitution and facts to turn this around? It's what many of us are working toward, but sometimes it seems daunting in the face of the lies and applause for grifting, misogyny, and bigotry.
He is not WHITE! He is ORANGE, with a rotten black heart, if he has one. We all know his brain is mush. Could all his "problems" be linked to or caused by several STD's? Seems reasonable to me, if one considers the past, he is so desperately trying to hide! Ah, but the light is starting to shine in other parts of the world. Heads are a rolling. America aren’t we to also see the rising sun and its cleansing light? Indeed, we are!
They or their wives obviously don't grocery shopping. Several of us in the grocery check put were talking about products that keep rising. The manager popped by and overhearing said that they had to make a profit to survive but each time they raised prices it is bc POTUS raises their costs . He is correct. That is why DJT and his regime is responsible for unreasonable price hikes.
Thank you for distilling the speech for us. I just couldn't watch. I did hear some clips with raves from Republicans. The gaslighting would make even Charles Boyer blush.
Turner Classic Movies ran the 1944 version of _Gaslight_ in a clever, ironic, bit of counter-programming the SOTU.
"Watching you go, with glory in my heart!" Apologies, couldn't resist....
https://sylvestercat.substack.com/p/useful-lies-useless-idiots
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/7Xrw0gbnNuU
And did Trump’s speech last longer than the movie?
Gaslight - 1 hr 54 min. SOTU speech 1 hr 47 min.
That should tick trump off. He is LOSER in gaslighting, now. Surreal
He gave Lawrence of Arabia a run for its money.
Trump's went on for an eternity.
You beat me to it! Great movie!
The repubs are just a herd of sheep.
We just need a few who won't support pedophelia.
Ephebophilia according to Megyn Kelly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otJtHrjZDLA
When it comes the sexual abuse of children, these Republicans know their stuff.
To me the remarkable thing is she was telling her teen daughter that when a rich man rapes you, don't come to mommy, she really doesn't want to know.
A couple of older girls had me when I was 14 and I loved every minute of it. I’m just saying… Where are you, Beaty? Candy, I loved every minute of it.
She is truly vile
I wonder how Mike Johnson and his son are doing with their their app to catch them watching porn. I think they need an app that distinguishes lies.
Where are they??
More like inbred parasites. To call them sheep is far too kind.
Sheep are much smarter than DonOLD
I lasted 10 seconds into trump's speech before I started cursing at the TV, I left the room at that point. I'm thankful for Joyce Vance's article. Maybe I could have watched it longer had I been part of a substack. Naaah. But what stuck out in Ms. Vance' article in remarking about the economy "even his own folks can not have missed them" his OWN folks. That's an excellent way of putting that. He seems to OWN these "folks". Evidently slavery in the republican party is alive and well. As far as "ineffectual and ineffective" ? That's true, unless of course, you talk about his ability to destroy everything he touches. Thank you for watching for me, I just couldn't deal with it.
If your drinking game was every time he lied, you'd be passed out in the floor in 12 minutes and perhaps need an emergency stomach pump.
I couldn’t get past the sustained applause I heard from the tv in the other room as the felon must have entered the room. That was it for me!!! The republicans are just as corrupt and racist as he is.
Amen!
Think King Midas. He turns to gold everything he touches. But his gold is fool's gold.
That's an insult to sheep. They remind me of the maggots you discover when you don't keep the kitchen waste can clean.
Even maggots have a place in nature. trump does not. Zero.
ORANGE TOXIC WASTE - PERIOD!!!
Sure bet but so aren’t the democrats. All politicians are alike. They have the backbones of sloths like Margret Taylor Greene and when she perceived the winds changing shift, she withdrew and will wait for a better day. Oh, she’ll be back bet your bottom dollar. Interesting point from Robert Reich who said that corporations can prohibit corporations from campaign spending by a state statute and currently California and Montana has them on the November ballot.
Can't get money out of politics by passing a law; the Epstein/monied class is lawless.
To get money out of politics, we first have to get the obscene 'throw-away-money' out of the billionaires and big undead corp.s. (It would be insufficient to get them 'out of the country'.)
If we can't do THAT, we CANNOT have a democracy, unless we move to one.
THIS is the point where governance failed in the US... we enshrined 'greed as good' instead of 'all men are created equal'. (Where 'greed' is the laissez-faire capitalism now rapidly morphing into consumer surveillance and AI-assisted 'misinfotainment' population control; where 'equal' means, same intrinsic human worth & entitlements, not same talents; where 'man' means, all humankind.)
When we convene the 3rd Constitutional Convention, some ethical and behavioral norms that were assumed, need to be spelled out; but other things that were assumed need to be corrected!
Let's FIX this nation! Correct me, but seems this is the process: Win House and Senate (learn to talk/listen to R's a bit, instead of demonizing them). Impeach P and VP simultaneously with joint charge of treason, putting Speaker in the WH. Pack the SC enough to defang the power towers. Legally repair the maldistribution of Senate representation of citizens (use imagination, don't be shy). Convene the 3rd CC.
Establish: mathematically drawn census tracts after finalization of censes (may need to apply same algorithm to fair(er) Senate representation, or split large states - yes LOTS of state-federal issues; must address them to have a democracy); ranked-choice voting; return to the FDR TAX structures that created the huge middle class; end to corporate welfare; ethics laws with teeth for President, SC, cabinet, and congress re: emoluments, self-dealing, conflict of interest, nepotism, revolving door, lobbying, etc.; term and age limits in elected office; carefully review and reverse the pro-corporation and anti-civil rights laws and rulings from Reagan forward.
We must make rapid progress toward disenfranchising the Epstein class - BOTH at home AND abroad - to preserve democracy anywhere. (No nation is an island, to paraphrase John Donne.) Much of this may need to be done as rapidly as the P25 was.
A LOT needs fixing; BUT THIS is the main task: UNDO the systems favoring power concentration, and RESTORE prioritizing care for people (ie, good governance).
“ (learn to talk/listen to R's a bit, instead of demonizing them)”
That’s been tried and failed. There’s no point to listening to liars who have no intention or interest in consensus.
If we don’t want to be divided and conquered, we are going to have to learn to talk to the parents of the kids on our kids ball team.
That’s entirely different from political capitulation in Congress.
Wait, are you saying that California and Montana have legislators who are not spineless?
There are a few. . . Scattered across the country, but they ARE there.
Journslists should get that out front and center: show us how the Republicans in Congress cheered on evil.
Sheep are smarter.
& Ikea’s got smarter cabinets… 😉
Donald's Dungwagon and his Herd of Turds
I prefer to think of them as COWARDS!!!
Very stupid sheep too.
sheep are gentle, innocent beings!!!
Indeed. Thank you, Joyce, for watching so I didn't have to.
I saw the first few minutes of what was so obviously a North Korean shitshow involving fawning, obsequious, terrified assholes standing and applauding for far too long, scared of being the first to sit down, while the Rancid Emperor preened and glowed, displaying his new clothes, eating it all up with a spoon....I immediately clicked off.
A fascist spectacle and cheering squad unworthy of the United States of America.
Totally agree! My husband watched it, but I went in another room to do something productive 🙃
Sleeping would be much more productive so that's what i did.
That's what I did...sleep!
Bonnie, I do not understand how Stateside Americans can report on the SAVE America act being mentioned so calmly. It is going to disenfranchise not just the 7-11 million Americans living abroad, and growing, but also many, many women and poor people. It am glad that Joyce reported on SOTU. She did not say anything that was not predicted. I am glad it is over and done with. I am glad Trump did not announce that he was in the process of bombing Iran while he spoke as some had predicted. I am glad that those who say he is saber rattling in the Middle East because he wants to control the shipping of oil just as he is doing with the region where Venezuela is, so he can raise oil prices. Each day, it makes me glad that my home is not run on fossil fuels.
Hi Linda, my local Indivisible groups have a large Calls to Elected chain (maybe 300 people) and we’ve been calling our reps about SAVE for two weeks now. It’s a travesty and a gut punch to women. I’m livid about it. And always stressed by the people who just don’t pitch in to help us defeat this blight.
Always grateful to you for your work abroad and reports to us.
Just reading Joyce's recap has my blood boiling.
Gaslighting was just the word I was looking for.
I couldn’t either
I lasted 30 min watching his ‘speech’.
I got sick to my stomach. Really.
Then I went to the bathroom.
I felt better in many ways.
Then I went to knit and play with my cat.
The cat was very entertaining.
Cat's are always more entertaining, Phyllis.
rocks are more entertaining.....ha ha
I hope you’re feeling better!
Thanks for the chuckles Joyce: "HHS Secretary Robert Kennedy looked pretty good for someone who recently acknowledged snorting cocaine off of a toilet seat."
I'm sorry, but 13 minutes after I posted my comment, I'm still doubled over by Joyce's comment.
Now I’m laughing 🤣 and I didn’t dare turn on t’s sotu doodoo because I’d get so angry I might throw something I like… 10 seconds in
at the nice screen I like as long as there are no magats crawling across it.
Thank you Joyce for your sacrifice and smarts.
I wonder why he snorted off a toilet seat. Most of us snorted on mirrors back in the day. But a toilet seat? Could RFK JR have thought the mirror reflected badly of himself? And did he use a $100 bill like many of us did as a sign of prosperity or did he use a used cut off soda straw. Probably a soda straw.
But was it plastic or paper?
He knew who he really was then. But he was so high, he forgot to flush himself down.
Per Heritage Foundation, posted by the Brennan Center, there were 41 instances of voter fraud out of 3M votes cast between 2003 and 2023. For that we’ll get the SAVE act that will cost many women a LOT of time, money, and energy to retain the right to vote. And disenfranchise millions who don’t have all three of those things.
We won't get the SAVE Act. Please stop upsetting yourself listening to the Lefty Clickbators. The Senate GOP would have to make a carve-out for voting rights in the filibuster and they know if they did when the Democrats take control next term they'd be watching the John Lewis Voting Rights Act and the for The People Act become law. They won't do that, and therefore the SAVE Act won't pass. John Thune has already publicly acknowledged that fact. Anything to the contrary you hear from droolers like Mike Lee is just another moron trying to play Big Bad Wolf who will huff and puff and blow your house down. Which also won't happen.
It is still important to make our wishes known to the “electeds” (I don’t know where I heard that reference but I only mean it as a slight towards the ass-kissing repub senators in tx). We must continue to fight this.
I hope you’re right!! I’ll cling to this…
Me too!
Thanks for info.
41 seems plausible but there were many orders of magnitude more than 3M votes in those twenty years. Please explain
I’ll check it out later, thanks.
THIS says it all, Joyce:
“I love America,” Trump said, but then he snarled, and it didn’t really look like love.
because he could never have gotten away with all of this in another country!
Well, maybe North Korea or Russia.
Ask his 3 wives or his family or his many sexual victims what he means by "love."
And 2 of those three wives are immigrants. Of his 5 ( known ) children, 4 were born to immigrant mothers. How dare that mf.
..didn't he also say he loved the uneducated?
I couldn't watch it. I can't ever watch anything he does or listen to anything he says - it makes my skin crawl and I will throw up. So thank you for taking one for the team tonight. We're in this together (I say this to myself every morning when I get up).
“If you had to take a drink every time he told the truth, you would have stayed sober.”
Joyce, have you been taking snark lessons from Jo Carducci? That’s some world-class snark. Brilliant!
One wonders just who Trump was speaking to - all those blatant lies and bigly boasts - but to himself. How low we have fallen. How low we have been brought down.
He has quite the fan base in the Republican congress…and his rank and file base just parrots his words without thought. I have a Trump friend who refers to him with fond reverence as “President Trump”. “ President Trump says….”. He’s so sort of goofy and puppy doggy when he speaks of him and he does have Fox on all day in his shop. I used to challenge his facts but I don’t anymore. He’s obtuse and smitten and while he’s basically a really reliable neighbor and always kind to me, he does think immigrants are destroying our country and that is his main draw to Trump. He loves the tough stance against “those people”’stealing his jobs and services. He’s immovable and inconsolable on this topic. Trump is his hero.
This perspective seems to imbue the Fox-watching Rs. They are, at heart, bigots, and this president elevates that perspective as a shining example of right-thinking. I don't see any of them changing. Fox isn't ever not going to be a propaganda machine for MAGA. Are there enough people in this country who believe in the Constitution and facts to turn this around? It's what many of us are working toward, but sometimes it seems daunting in the face of the lies and applause for grifting, misogyny, and bigotry.
I'd burn his shop down
What’s your plan? Exactly how would you accomplish that? Please explain.
Some are lost and will remain so, their lot will be reduced into insignificance 🤷♂️
I wonder if the Repugnants actually believe all his bullshit.
The cult will believe anything its Great White Father would say.
He is not WHITE! He is ORANGE, with a rotten black heart, if he has one. We all know his brain is mush. Could all his "problems" be linked to or caused by several STD's? Seems reasonable to me, if one considers the past, he is so desperately trying to hide! Ah, but the light is starting to shine in other parts of the world. Heads are a rolling. America aren’t we to also see the rising sun and its cleansing light? Indeed, we are!
They or their wives obviously don't grocery shopping. Several of us in the grocery check put were talking about products that keep rising. The manager popped by and overhearing said that they had to make a profit to survive but each time they raised prices it is bc POTUS raises their costs . He is correct. That is why DJT and his regime is responsible for unreasonable price hikes.
He'll even Magas must not eat....thinking?????
The spineless fools in the room.
Self before nation—true patriotism.
Ugh. Thank you for your service to our country!
LOL!
That billion dollars for his family should be splattered all over the internet- just sickening
Thank you! I couldn't! I wouldn't. So thank you!
King Trump the Only and the Nation of Me.
Thank you for your service, Joyce.
Why listen? Nothing but lies come out of his anus-mouth. Truly, ever since 2016 I have listened for one true word. I haven't heard one yet.
What still scares me is that this speech went through the Fox Media blender and comes out looking different to a large portion of the country.
And maybe we'd be better off addressing the blender than the consumers.
We call it declarative reality when the four year old grandkid does it.